<p>Some of these are just stereotypes I heard so don't get ****ed or anything...</p>
<p>Cornell (AEM)
+ugrad biz
+Ivy
+alum network (east)
+NYC nearby</p>
<p>-hypercompetitive/cutthroat
-HYP rejects
-middle of nowhere
-grade deflation
-insane major requirements
-huge greek scene
-lower ranked than ND Mendoza in businessweek</p>
<p>NU (MMSS/Econ)
+small close knit group, collaborative
+Chicago
+Econ highly ranked
+alum network (midwest)
+easier to get into Kellogg
+Kellogg certificates (though they're not even minors)</p>
<p>-no ugrad biz
-too intellectual/academic, not practical enough
-Ivy rejects
-huge greek scene</p>
<p>ND (Mendoza)
+ugrad biz
+higher ranked than cornell AEM
+alum network (midwest)</p>
<p>-not diverse
-Catholic --> not Jewish --> Jewish bankers don't recruit
-religion classes
-middle of nowhere
-no sex</p>
<p>Probably won't get into Wharton, so looking to early one of these instead. Any thoughts? Oh and career plans = ibank/consulting as usual</p>
<p>Ivy league rejects? If ur in business then maybe Wharton...but AEM is a great program. It's the only other accredited business program in the entire ivy league!. Programs like engineering, architecture, ect...are the ones that people would come to rather than attend than places like Harvard. It definitely has some of the brightest students in the world attending.</p>
<p>In the smallish area of Ithaca there are 13,000 Cornell undergrads, 7,000 Cornell grads, 10,000 Ithaca College students, and 30,000 Ithaca residents. Pretty well populated!</p>
<p>I don't go to Cornell, but my sister who does tells me that many people try to transfer (externally and internally from within Cornell) to AEM because of the high GPAs and high recruiting. As a result, it's getting more and more difficult to get in every year.</p>
<p>If you don't get into Wharton than there's actually a substantial chance that you won't get into AEM either.</p>
<p>P.S.-Businessweek rankings don't mean anything. If you're an "ibank-guppie" then you need to realize that what Wall Street respects is pedigree.</p>
<p>AEM:
-wrong- nyc isn't nearby
-wrong- not cutthroat at all
-wrong- not everyone can go to hyp- broaden your horizon and don't be naive
-wrong- grade inflation is present
-wrong- major reqs are not too bad; 2 semesters of bio since it's in CALS
-wrong- to think Businessweek rankings matters when you want to be a wall-street guppie (aem= ivy league business program)</p>
<p>Ok great, I wanted to test those generalizations and you guys have been helpful.</p>
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<li>NYC not nearby wouldn't be as good</li>
<li>By saying "not everyone can go to HYP" aren't you supporting the "HYP reject" stereotype? (Not that I have any chance at the Ivies)</li>
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<p>Why do you guys think Ivy business is so good? A lot of Ivy grads in majors like art history and english get IB jobs, not to mention all the econ majors, so wouldn't that mean the important part is IVY, not so much "business"?</p>
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<p>No, because I also don't believe that those who can go are the definitive creap of the crop. Many intelligent people get rejected while many less capable/less intelligent people get accepted. Don't be naive and think that being a "hyp reject" is an automatic badge of unworthiness.</p>
<p>Also, you should realize that if you really have "no chance at the ivies," you should not get caught up in the craze. Find more realistic options.</p>
<p>lol...give him/her a break you guys! He/She is still in high school...</p>
<p>Ok..I will give you my insight, since I'm also an investment banker aspiree although I've been more and more interested w/ trading...</p>
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<li>If you think that you will have a better chance at AEM than wharton, ur definitely wrong. The reason is unless you are from NY state, it will be very hard for you to get in because of 50% minimum have to be from NY state. Thus, like the southern region last year for example (8 states), only 4 people were accepted. Actually, if you looked in forums, there are lots of ppl who got into Wharton but rejected from AEM.</li>
<li>Presumably, your desire to attend a good school is because you would like to work at a good company, preferably a Big Bank. Well, I did externships with Goldman and UBS. I asked them point blank, what schools you prefer and they answered "we have the highest concentration of new hires from ivies" including Cornell, b/c I asked them about Cornell.</li>
<li>UBS, however, since I worked in private wealth management, I asked the director there and he said that they prefer non-ivies student b/c ivy students tend to be cocky..(this opinion comes from the fact that his superior is from a non-ivy, not even close to ivy, and he believes in the value of hard work).</li>
<li>I've looked at the recent %s in hires from AEM. Wharton had more ppl wanting to work in the financial consulting industry. AEM students don't. So, according to my estimate, due to the smaller size of AEM, there seems to be more % of people being hired in big firms compared to Wharton.</li>
<li>Regarding Notre Dame, I honestly think that you are making a big mistake if you simply go there due to hire ranking. I want to say for sure that if you want to go to school in the midwest, you should go to Ross, Umich instead because they are somewhat known in Wall Street, not Notre Dame though.</li>
<li>Northwestern: Due to its geographical location, if you are looking to work in NYC, then Northwestern would not be a wise choice because of alumni networking that is crucial for ibanking.</li>
<li>Go to ibankingoasis.com. It's an ibanking forum. I do have to warn you though that you will get killed if you post a topic like this w/ the same reasons there.</li>
<li>One other thing, AEM is a newly accredited b.program and its ranking in USnews is 11. This is great for a new program and it will continue to rise. So, in my opinion, personally, I like to be in a place where it is gaining popularity not in a place where it is already established b/c ppl will pay more attention to you. Think of it in investment term. Where do you get the biggest return? A few year ago, when google stock was gaining popularity, this is where you should invest your money because more than likely it will give you the biggest return as supposed to investing in an already established stock like microsoft or something.</li>
<li>If you say that you have no chance at the ivies, then you shouldn't be considering cornell.</li>
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<p>Ok...i just looked at the biz ranking at business week and it's definitely misleading.</p>
<p>How can emory be ranked higher than MIT, Cornell? You should definitely look at the hires/number of student ratio and it should tell you which one is good.</p>
<p>I have been reading this thread quite carefully. I would like to add the following, based on my personal knowledge about the consulting firms and the investment bankers in the Wall Street.</p>
<ol>
<li>At the entry level (after college),amongst the Ivy league, you will find many from Princeton and Yale. Unfortunately, Cornell doesn't get the same advantage.</li>
<li>The top Liberal Arts Colleges, have a fair representation, compared to the size of their student body.</li>
<li>Amongst the publc universities, Michigan and Virginia, are pretty well respected.</li>
<li>The AEM program, in all honesty, is not as well known as Ross or McIntire. Also, the curriculum (with emphasis on biology) puts the program at a slight disadvantage.</li>
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<p>It is just not the problem of the AEM program. In my opinion, Cornell has a positioning problem ! </p>
<p>H/Y/P is regarded (historically) the top tier Ivy. Brown, known for its leberal environment and flexible curriculum. Dartmouth for its small size and closeknit student body. Columbia for its high profile presence in NYC, and strong programs in Law and Business. Cornell, somehow, doesn't have a strong USP. Added to it, the higher percentage of admit, has made it less 'exclusive'. Being a strong supporter of Cornell, I would like it to be in the H/Y/P tier :)</p>
<p>Rintu, are you reading the stuff you are writing? "the curriculum (with emphasis on biology)"? since when did the program have anything to do with biology. Most AEM students get 5s on their AP Bio test and get 8 free credits. I don't know what youve been smoking but UVA and Mich? come on man.</p>
<p>AEM has only 200 students. a third of which go into the Financial Services sector. Thats with all the Food business and ag. business people. Plenty of people get offers from McKinsey and Booz Allen. you just dont know what you are talking about. </p>
<p>im really trying to be helpful but please dont talk about things you don't know. If you really want to get the facts, come here, talk to Dale, talk to Jen DeRosa at Barnes, take a copy of all the handouts available to you at Career Services, take advantage of the career development programs at Roberts. Take a look at Cornell Trak. Check out the Career website, speak to students who has gotten internships at Goldman or Bain.</p>
<p>Otherwise, you are just talking sh&t and i dont appreciate that.</p>
<p>"Also, the curriculum (with emphasis on biology) puts the program at a slight disadvantage."</p>
<p>Man, I knew there was a reason I keep coming back to CC...the comedy! Since when is requiring a bio course (a college, not AEM-specific, requirement) an "emphasis on biology?"</p>
<p>hahaha i totally agree. 1 year of introductory biology is not a very strong 'emphasis.' in addition, one would inevitably take a year's worth of science at practically any competitive college/university either way. and if im not mistaken i believe 40% of FRESHMAN applicants must come from the state of ny and funding from albany has recently been decreasing, so that may change as well and i would assume it's even more difficult for a nys transfer candidate to gain admission because of all those damn new yorkers enrolled already.</p>