Cornell Concern. Any advice?

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<p>Once you’re at Cornell, 99% of the people do not care which school you’re in. You all got into Cornell. And all seven undergraduate colleges are the tops at what they do. All are difficult to get into. Engineering is one of the tops in the country. Hotel, Architecture, ILR and Ag are the top schools in the nation in their fields. For Ag, you have the top animal science program, the top agriculture program, one of the best business programs (whose admit rate is much lower than Arts) and one of the top biology programs in the country. There’s no inferiority complex necessary.</p>

<p>And to clear up a misconception from above, CALS (Ag) is not overrun by state residents. Yes, they make up more of the applicants (who can turn down a good deal?) but because of the quality of the programs the three contract colleges offer (do not call thems state schools), out-of-state residents make up a growing and larger percentage of the student bodies of these schools. </p>

<p>And if you’re going to listen to what Ann Coulter says, then maybe you have to look at the reliability of the source of the information.</p>

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<p>Aww man… I wanted to be the first one to post the “Ann Coulter is crazy” link that this thread really is crying out for. But really, the garbage that comes out of her mouth is the kind of stuff you’d expect from that crazy drunk uncle who sits in the corner at family reunions and raves about how the country is going to the Soviets.</p>

<p>[Ann</a> Coulter Quotes - Funny and Outrageous Ann Coulter Quotes](<a href=“http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/anncoulter.htm]Ann”>Political Quotes)</p>

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<p>Your school’s college counsellor is either misinformed or withholding key information to paint a skewed picture. </p>

<p>The reason CAS has more applicants is because its programs are not very self-selective. It takes a special type of person to pursue architecture, engineering, or hospitality in undergrad, for example, and pretty much anybody can apply for English or Biology or Philosophy. </p>

<p>The reason CAS is the primary cross-admit with other Ivies is because other Ivies don’t offer many of the same programs (though engineering has significant cross-admits with many choosing Cornell). None have a hotel school or ILR or undergrad architecture because Cornell set out from the beginning to be both pragmatic and liberal arts, which is its greatest strength and greatest source of ridicule by elitists who think producing something tangible is troglodytic. That said, Yale has a great Forestry school and Harvard has a joke of a Forestry program, but mostly they remain liberal arts schools. UPenn’s probably the closest in the Ivies structurally to Cornell in this sense. </p>

<p>I also concur that it’s time to stop calling them state schools. They’re called contract colleges because the university is contracted by the state to fulfill certain education, research, and extension services. The state has no oversight over any aspect of this entirely private university.</p>

<p>Several prestigious universities tried to develop similar programs, but MIT and Cornell are the only private universities to serve as their states’ land grant universities.</p>

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<p>omg, you all need to take a chill pill!</p>

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<p>Once you enter Cornell, you are a Cornell student. No one outside of the stuckup kids on College Confidential gives a damn if you attend a school with a 25% acceptance rate vs. a 20% acceptance rate vs. a 15% acceptance rate or that your schools average SAT score is 2100 while mine is 2150. People on here split hairs over minute differences in schools or, in this case, schools within schools to make themselves feel better. Most of these pimple-faced snot-nosed teenagers have no concept of reality. </p>

<p>Apply to the school that is the best fit for you. No one at Cornell is going to care whether you attend CALS or CAS.</p>

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<p>There ARE definitely people who look down on the state colleges. They are there. I have met them. </p>

<p>Also, the state colleges are NOT as hard to get into as the private ones. Just look at the median SATs, ACTs, top 10% of hs, etc. CAS and CE are on par with any of the other ivies in terms of pure numbers, but the state colleges are not. Also, as I mentioned before, the state colleges offer GTs, and their transfer acceptance rates are much much higher than those of CAS and CE.</p>

<p>Bottom Line: Anyone who says CALS is just as hard to get into as CAS is probably in CALS. And also, people within Cornell might not care, but people in other ivies will give you a lot of crap (they already give enough crap about Cornell being half “public”).</p>

<p>Call me an elitist or what you want, but someone needs to tell the OP that there IS some discrimination within Cornell.</p>

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<p>@applejack</p>

<p>It actually says in Ives Hall in HUGE letters
“State Universiy of New York School of ILR”
or something close to that…so they are “state” schools</p>

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<p>DO YOU REALIZE WHO SAID THAT?!?</p>

<p>It was Anne Coulter. She’s crazy. I’m fellow conservative (well, more moderate) and even I think she’s nuts. She says thing just to get a reaction…kind of like Kanye West.</p>

<p>Hm, I like that. Anne Coulter is the Kanye of politics!</p>

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<p>As someone who has attended Cornell and recently graduated, I can say that I have never witnessed this so-called “discrimination within Cornell.” As inaccurate as it was, I must admit that statement was pretty entertaining…thanks for the laugh. ;)</p>

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<p>Don’t make me laugh docility. Do you know HOW many times I have heard engineers bashing hotel majors since they didn’t have to study…or the number of times I’ve heard how “aem is the easiest major with all the athletes, so I should transfer.”
Dont give me that bs.</p>

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<p>You have now posted on two threads: one saying that transfers are inferior and one saying that students at contract colleges are inferior. Give it up. No one buys into your elitist crap.</p>

<p>What you’re pointing out is good-natured ribbing b/w majors. This happens at every college (engineers whining, premeds whining, business regarded as easy). </p>

<p>I was a CAS student for 4 years at Cornell and now I attend medical school where 70% of my class attended a top 20 college. No one cares if you attended CALS or even if you attended Cornell. We all have bigger things to worry about at this point than whether our peers attended a school with 20% acceptance rate or a 17% acceptance rate. It’s time to step out of high school, my friend.</p>

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<p>I have read these posts. To be honest, it may be true that Arts and Sciences is the most prestigious, most selective, most well known, original cornell college, most ivy like - whatever - who cares!!! It makes no difference.
Cornell is a great school. Even if CALS or Ecology are not as prestigious are looked down at, who cares, if it is what you want, go there and stop wasting time.
Theses posts, even if they are right, make no difference. Who cares if the cross applications admits between HYPS and Cornell only involve Arts and Science students. But wake up guys, -not many people at all looking at Cornell would go there over HYPS or other top schools. And if it is the Arts and Sciences that gets some of those cross applicants, who cares. CALS may teach farming, but it also teaches other subjects. Enough. Ecology may teach ecology, who cares.</p>

<h2>Happy New Year</h2>

<p>sunshineflorid
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<p>Join Date: Dec 2010
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my 2 cents. I was denied ED by arts and sciences (CAS) and deferred by the alternate college I selected, Ecology on December 9. My school’s college counselor and I spoke with the regional admissions person twice since. She told us that arts and sciences is definitely the hardest to get into at Cornell University because they get the most apps and are the most selective of the colleges in terms of GPA, test scores… She made a point of telling me that it is the arts and sciences college at cornell that gets into the cross application / cross admit with applicants to other ivy league schools and that makes CAS a very tough college to get into at Cornell. In my humble opinion, I don’t think there are many other ivy league applicants that are looking at cornell’s agriculture or ecology colleges. </p>

<h2>2 kids got in last year from my high school and they are in the “state” schools. I talked to them about Cornell a lot. They say that most of the cornellians who go on to top medical or law schools are definitely from arts and sciences. But they say the kids in arts and sciences are not stuck up or walk around like they are above other students. they say the students in the colleges with state funding are considered equal, even though every now and then someone does make a joke about the coulter - olbermann debate and calls the kids in the agriculture college farmers, but just jokingly. If the agriculture college or ecology college have a lot of students who are farmers or studying farming, that is because those schools have many programs in agriculture. I think it does not make any difference at all and the importance of college is to make the most of it. Cornell and all of its colleges have a very good reputation. Good luck everybody, maybe I will join you in the class of 2015! Adios.</h2>

<p>wavedasher
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There ARE definitely people who look down on the state colleges. They are there. I have met them. </p>

<p>Also, the state colleges are NOT as hard to get into as the private ones. Just look at the median SATs, ACTs, top 10% of hs, etc. CAS and CE are on par with any of the other ivies in terms of pure numbers, but the state colleges are not. Also, as I mentioned before, the state colleges offer GTs, and their transfer acceptance rates are much much higher than those of CAS and CE.</p>

<p>Bottom Line: Anyone who says CALS is just as hard to get into as CAS is probably in CALS. And also, people within Cornell might not care, but people in other ivies will give you a lot of crap (they already give enough crap about Cornell being half “public”).</p>

<h2>Call me an elitist or what you want, but someone needs to tell the OP that there IS some discrimination within Cornell.</h2>

<p><a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
[Keith</a> Olbermann, Ann Coulter Battle Over Cornell Alumni Status (VIDEO)](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Keith Olbermann, Ann Coulter Battle Over Cornell Alumni Status (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News)</p>

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<p>i think this is stupid. so if you want to become a vet, but you have the stats for CAS, it would be recommended to go to CAS for the so-called prestige boost? cornell is cornell. should prospective engineers with those high stats all go to CAS too? most of the colleges at cornell are top notch in their fields, including engineering.</p>

<p>it’s one thing to be elitist about going to an ivy versus a community college (not saying i support that), but to even be elitist towards people who attend the same ivy as you? i think we’re trying to differentiate everyone a little too much</p>

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<p>Why is is that when students go to Brown, Columbia, Duke, Georgetown, HYPS etc, there is never that problem that cornell has - like if you are not in Arts & Science, you are somehow inferior. Not even at Penn are there any posts here at cc that say something like if you are not in Wharton at Penn, you are not as good. Why are there like 100s of posts here on CC for the last 5 years that say only Arts & Science is the real ivy at Cornell and most prestigious and that if you go to CALS or Human Ecology it is a “state” school and not as good. Makes no sense to me. What the is going on with students looking to get in or in at cornell. I’m not trying to say that Cornell is better or worse than other ivy league or top schools. Honestly, it is probably rare that people pick cornell over HYPS or other top schools. Then why do the kids who go to cornell have to think they are better than kids who go to the same school and just wanted to specialize in farming or ecology or labor or hotel or architecture or whatever they want to study. Maybe it is right that the college of arts and sciences is more like the other ivys in terms of curriculum and selectivity, so why does that make a difference to anyone here. Heck, there is probably more money in farming then in medicine or law these days. I myself would rather make more money and graduate from the less selective, less prestigious part of a University.</p>

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<p>forget about the argument over whether CAS is the only real ivy at cornell, how on this planet did over 1000 students applying to cornell forget to even select a college? Anyone that can answer that gets a prize. Somehow I think that no other ivy league or state school anywhere in the United States of America rejected a thousand kids off the top just because they were not smart enough to check a box. this link posted here direct from cornell shows it at the bottom. In 10 years, the number getting automatically rejected because they are not smart enough to pick a box may be more than the number admitted… Scary…</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>It may be more than not checking a box. It may also be not doing an essay, or missing some other part of the application.</p>

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<p>CALS and CAS are both highly respected. Where Ann Coulter could have “criticized” Keith is that he was a Communications major. I have nothing against the major, but it’s definitely one of the easiest majors at Cornell. Not all majors are created equal in terms of difficulty. I don’t mean to say that makes you a worse person by any means (otherwise I’d say everyone should be honors physics students), and my majors are by no means the hardest. That said, Ann Coulter really should keep her mouth shut.</p>

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<p>"Why is is that when students go to Brown, Columbia, Duke, Georgetown, HYPS etc, there is never that problem that cornell has "</p>

<p>You obviously have not spent much time on the Columbia sub-forum, search there under “College of General Studies” and see what comes up. I imagine Georgetown SFS students are aware of some differences there as well. Most of the others have no separate colleges with separate admissions, or they hide the data for each college so people don’t know what the individual stats are for sure, or the differences are yet smaller.</p>

<p>As for Cornell: I am of the Coulter-Olbermann era. At that time, the selectivity differences among the Cornell’s colleges were more evident to all, since the stats were published separately by college in all the college guides.The state-affiliated colleges were not called “contract colleges”, and their association with SUNY was more prominently acknowledged. And I think the stats differences were greater then as well. Moreover, the “least selective Ivy” was definitely Penn, as far as Arts & Sciences was concerned anyway, and Columbia College was only a bit more selective than Cornell CAS.
I would say people were generally well aware of the differences among the colleges, but the extent of Coulter’s viewpoint was definitely a huge outlier even then. Moreover, whatever differences that may have been perceived did not get extrapolated to individuals, severely color relationships, etc. </p>

<p>What I sense from D2, who is there now, is that whatever differences might still be acknowledged are a yet more trivial matter now. The selectivity differences have probably never been narrower,and the data by college is buried, not broadly published. She is in CAS, but advised her brother that if he applied he should go to a contract college to save money.</p>

<p>So this was never a huge issue there, and it seems to be yet less of one now. To the extent there are differences among the colleges, in various regards not just this one, you can expect people, within the community at least, to be generally aware of them. But it is probably all mild and trivial. There is probably still some ribbing, as there was in my day (eg certain people never doing any work, etc). But even then it was always good-natured. </p>

<p>And one thing everyone who attends (except Coulter?) quickly comes to understand, is there are outstanding individuals in all the colleges.</p>

<p>This “issue” definitely does not rise to the level of being a reason not to attend Cornell, IMO, from what I understand of it, it is all a trivial thing there, now more than ever.</p>

<p>Someone correct me if I’m wrong.</p>

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<p>Cornell does still publish the data:
<a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
There is also data about average scores of admitted students to each college somewhere out there.
Cornell does not bury data!!
There are posts here at cc that cornell admissions admits that CAS is much more selective and difficult to get into than the state contract colleges.
As for Columbia and Georgetown, I think Cornell is just as good. But honestly, the admit stats and selectivity at those schools is so much higher than cornell I think most anyone stands a better chance at cornell for admission than a school like Georgetown, Columbia or Duke, especially if they are applying to the state contract schools you talk about.
I don’t think Coulter really knows what she talks about, but there are so many people that have talked about it that it is like a big deal when it should not be.
I just watched that video link from the post above.
Have any famous people ever gone to any college at Cornell other than Arts & Sciences?</p>

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<p>“Cornell does still publish the data”
yes it does, but the college guide books don’t. They only publish the aggregates. Hence the breakout by college is buried, though not by Cornell , rather by US News et al. In the era before US News this was not the case, the guide books published the stats separated by college, not the aggregate.</p>

<p>As for the admit stats at georgetown and duke, I haven’t looked at Georgetown so I don’t know. But does Duke even break out its data by college? what I recall is Duke published a nominally lower admission rate last year, but then proceeeded to admit several hundered people of fof its wait list. I’ve never seen a Duke arts & science admit rate adjusted for wait list admits. Does Georgetown publish data for its arts & sciences college, without SFS? One should compare apples to apples. I would have thought the admit stats for these schools were all quite similar.</p>

<p>"Have any famous people ever gone to any college at Cornell other than Arts & Sciences? "
Sure. Bill Nye is pretty famous, he graduated from engineering.</p>

<p>Let’s face it though, most people in working in business,engineering, law, medicine, etc, do not get famous. Fame comes more readily from the type of career where one is in front of a camera a lot.</p>

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