<p>monydad, good points. does she like cornell, was it her first choice?</p>
<p>“How does your D2 like Cornell?” she loves it there.</p>
<p>“Was it her first choice?” When she transferred, yes. Originally, out of high school she wanted something a bit different, but her priorities changed and the place did not work out to her expectations. So she transferred to Cornell.</p>
<p>sounds great
happy new year</p>
<p>@norcalguy. Sorry. I didn’t know anyone who disagreed with you ended up being a high schooler in your mind. Please tell me where I said transfers and contract college students were inferior? Maybe you should read more clearly before attacking me. I said transfers from COMMUNITY COLLEGES were “inferior” and that the contract colleges weren’t as selective, and therefore picked on by the private school students. Anyone who thinks discrimination doesn’t exist between majors is an ignorant fool. Just because you didn’t experience it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Also, no one buys into my elitist crap you say? I’m not trying to convert anyone. I’m just stating facts (contract colleges are less selective and thus get teased sometimes)and things that I’ve viewed (which might not necessarily be what you’ve viewed). The OP asked a question, so I’m just answering it.</p>
<p>@poolboy. This does happen at other top schools. Columbia AS people say that engineers had it easier in getting in. Wharton students complain that nursing is bringing Penn’s rep down and Penn should change its name to Wharton university. And basically engineers and pre-meds at any school always look down on “lesser majors”.</p>
<p>“Anyone who thinks discrimination doesn’t exist between majors is an ignorant fool.”</p>
<p>I’m an ignorant fool then. [Of course I already knew that, I have three kids to tell me, but still…]</p>
<p>What I observed was mostly what norcalguy said,
“What you’re pointing out is good-natured ribbing b/w majors. This happens at every college (engineers whining, premeds whining, business regarded as easy).” </p>
<p>There was some stereotyping, perhaps, virtually all in jest, but not discrimination.
And it revolved more around how hard people were working, or the subject matter of their studies, than about their school’s admit rates. And it was no big deal IMO.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, of the people I recall now from my undergrad…
- A few ILRies are partners in Wall Street law firms, another is on that list of famous Cornell people, another was the HR head at a Fortune 500 company
- a few Aggies are professors at prestigious universities, one is a vet
- a hotelie owns a chain of restaurants, another is a prof in a business school</p>
<p>Attending a college outside of CAS or engineeering did not stop these people from achieving their objectives in life, far from it. And if they got ribbed for something in college, they ribbed the other people right back, it was all in fun as I said, and went both ways.</p>
<p>I graduated Human Ecology in the early 2000s.</p>
<p>I did not experience or hear of anyone else experiencing “discrimination” or being looked down on by Arts and Sciences people for going to a contract school. Nobody cared what school their friends or acquaintances went to. </p>
<p>I did very well (Bio and Society) got accepted to 3 medical schools, attended NYU school of medicine, and am now in a radiology fellowship. I know several others in the contract schools in my year, including graduates from both Hum Ec and Ag and life sciences who went on to medical school, a fellow Hum Ec’er who went on to Harvard Law School, an ILR grad who went to Berkeley Law etc. I never got the sense that any admission committees distinguished among people who attended the various colleges in Cornell. </p>
<p>In fact, I would feel pretty foolish not to have taken advantage of the lower tuition in the contract schools.</p>
<p>You guys are making it sound like I said that if you were in one of the contract colleges, you weren’t smart and could never become successful. Discrimination exists, whether you’ve seen it or not (I can see how some people would never have seen it). Saying it doesn’t would be equivalent (or something along those lines) to saying racism doesn’t exist anymore just because you’ve never seen it. Of course they’re not going to be so blatant and right up in your face when they do it.</p>
<p>@monydad. I like how you always answer honestly and show maturity in your responses, even when you necessarily don’t agree with the person. I noticed you used IMO and things like that to show that this is just what you’ve thought or experienced. Unlike some people who just attack me and put words in my mouth just cause they didn’t like my answer to the OP’s question. Didn’t mean to call you an “ignorant fool”; I respect your opinion. I was just caught up in the moment cause people were bashing me for voicing an alternate opinion.</p>
<p>From the Cornell website: “Your Common Application must be submitted by November 1 for early decision, or January 3 for regular decision.”</p>
<p>And as a CAAAN leader, we’ve been told the same date. January 3rd. Cornell would never set the deadline for a Sunday.</p>
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<p>“Attorney General Eliot Spitzer issued a 2005 opinion asserting that, with respect to their academic activities, statutory colleges should be understood to be private, non-state parties.”</p>
<p>Anyway, why does any of this matter? I’d love to meet the first person who tries to denigrate a Univ. of Michigan grad for going to a public university.</p>
<p>All being a contract college means is that you receive money from the state. And because of that, NYS residents get cheaper tuition. I’m sure that the additional money from the state is more than enough to outweigh the lower tuition for some students. I also think the state has a minor say in how research money is used, which still doesn’t affect education (I’m not entirely sure about that last point though).</p>
<p>All this talk about rankings and what’s best/better is truly a personal decision…my kid looked at Cornell and we never thought about it being an Ivy, since it’s west of the rest of them. she liked the school for what it specifically offered…thankfully never got caught up in admission statistics or state funding issues. Finding a place to thrive and learn should be the goal - not where your school ends up on some rankings list. This is exhausting…</p>
<p>VERY successful people come from every school in the country - it’s what they make of their opportunities.</p>
<p>^Somewhat disagree. Rankings matter for increasing the number of opportunities available and being at Cornell definitely benefits from an extensive, accomplished alumni network. If you come from a school with a recognized, respected name, it enhances your chances to land your opportunities, irrespective of your actual accomplishments. Because of the strength of the alumni and previous accomplishments and selectivity requirements, a degree from Cornell and other top schools signals that for you to have gone there and done what you did means more than most other places. Further, statistics like selectivity aren’t a bad measure of the quality of students the school attracts. Much of college academically-speaking is competitive, where your course grade depends how well you do relative to others in your classes. If the quality of student is higher, the demands to know more are also greater and this is definitely true at Cornell. Every person I know who has transferred to Cornell comments on how much more difficult it is to do well (and most of them transferred from excellent schools). If your goal is to learn for the sake of learning, then your goals might change. However, rankings (however flawed they may be), are still the most common way to measure how the quality of the learning environment and experience. I was attracted to Cornell because of its rigorous reputation, which I knew would push me to learn more than elsewhere. It’s great the Cornell offered a specific program for your daughter that is presumably unique, but without the reputation, how did she actually know she would thrive learning here? Did she sit in on a couple classes? That’s hardly conclusive…The libraries seem nice to study in? That really means little. What was in her and your mind (most likely in my opinion) was that others attested to the academic strength of the university and its reputation for whatever program she was in. Well, this academic strength manifests itself in rankings and statistics, and while they are no perfect measure, they do approximate the relative strength of a university.</p>
<p>"All being a contract college means is that you receive money from the state. And because of that, NYS residents get cheaper tuition. I’m sure that the additional money from the state is more than enough to outweigh the lower tuition for some students. I also think the state has a minor say in how research money is used, which still doesn’t affect education (I’m not entirely sure about that last point though). "</p>
<p>…although NY state rersidents get cheaper tuition (total cost of one year (tuition, room, board, etc. is approx. $17,000 less than the endowed colleges), it is much more difficult to get financial aid. From taling with parents in the same income bracket who have kids at both contract & endowed, the endowed students typically get aid to where the cost of the two are approx. equal.</p>
<p>That’s definitely true and the reason I applied to CAS instead of CALS since I was aware with financial aid, it wouldn’t make a difference. The tuition does make a difference for the families that wouldn’t receive financial aid either way.</p>
<p>My daughter picked Cornell because the operations research program is exactly what she was looking for. She is intrigued by the “any person, any study” philosophy and is excited that she can round out her education there with classes in her many interests. she likes Ithaca and surrounding area - the climate works for her. She likes the fact that there will be many people around her studying many different things and that will be a broadening experience. Is she all hung up with the Ivy League thing - no - but the fact that many other Ivy schools think of it as sub-standard is becoming a little annoying. People say Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get in to, the hardest to graduate from. My guess is that they are speaking to the engineering school, which is tops. </p>
<p>i say, find what you love at the school you like. The only thing that matters is the last thing you did…</p>
<p>swimmer726 is correct. People should go study wherever they think they will do best. . . what matters is what you did last… reading the posts above, I still think it is honest to say that it is only because of the colleges like CALS, Ecology or ILR that anyone would say that Cornell is anything other than a first class IVY league. The admission ratios at Arts & Sciences is more like the other ivy league and top schools. It looks like CAS has always been the college at Cornell with the most apps and least acceptances of the larger colleges in the University. The State funded colleges do say “State University of New York” on their building (at least for ILR according to the post here). People will always call those schools the state colleges at Cornell even if they are not run by SUNY. If you want to go to the “State” colleges at cornell and don’t like it being called the state colleges at cornell, you can always look into the SUNY colleges in NY that has many in that part of the state . . . some very good schools.
CALS or Ecology are very good colleges at Cornell, but I don’t think anyone is saying that they have the best reputation that Cornell CAS or Engineering has. the cornell diploma and transcript do show which college program you went to at cornell. the posts above by “wavedasher” who says that people do look down on the state colleges at cornell is true, but many are saying to just ignore it. but like the poster says, the “discrimination” does exist against the state colleges at cornell. reading this thread, it does look like it is mostly the CALS students who are concerned. the students going to Arts & Sciences or Engineering don’t care as they are already in the non state colleges at cornell and don’t have to think someone will question them about if they couldn’t make it in or something like that. from reading cc it looks like all this stuff about reputation and ivy is all about students in CALS or the other state schools needing to say something like I’m just as good… I guess the only way to argue back is that even if Cornell CAS and Engineering have a great reputation, they are not HYPS. My advice, is really go to whatever college you want and study what you want. That is how you do best. some very rich people in America left college as it was not for them and they are still very rich. don’t stress over a college v. another college only because one has a better reputation. you should make the most of the college education you are getting at cornell or anywhere else in America.</p>
<p>did not think this would be so complicated.
just wanted some simple advice on whether CALS at Cornell is much inferior to CAS at Cornell.</p>
<p>here is my original post that talked about this debate
[Keith</a> Olbermann, Ann Coulter Battle Over Cornell Alumni Status (VIDEO)](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Keith Olbermann, Ann Coulter Battle Over Cornell Alumni Status (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News)
thanks guys.</p>
<p>Cornell Concern. Any advice?</p>
<p>I read a lot about the argument between Coulter and Olberman about Cornell CALS being not very prestigious and the people who say that College of Arts & Sciences is the only real ivy league college at cornell. I did some research and see that Cornell CAS is the most selective at Cornell of the large colleges, according to the stats released by Cornell. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a></p>
<p>looks like it has the lowest admission rate of the cornell colleges. I want to go to CALS, but don’t want to feel like inferior student. I read that Cornell students say that everyone is treated the same no matter what college you are in at Ithaca campus. are they just saying that? if you are in the state contract schools is that looked down upon? do the students in CAS feel like they are superior to everyone else at the school?
from the numbers here at cc, it looks like accepted students in arts and sciences have much higher numbers than students accepted at other cornell colleges, but engineering is similar to arts. But I still think Cornell CALS is a very good school, just don’t want to be stuck at a school where some students are looked at as better than other students.
what do you think?</p>
<p>What is your possible motive in repeating this, and the coulter thing, since this entire thread has gone towards responding? Are you a ■■■■■? </p>
<p>Because wise people tend not to respond further to posts they think are being provoked by ■■■■■■.</p>
<p>I myself got denied to CAS and deferred at my alternate choice at Cornell which is the college of Ecology, a New York State contract college. I’ll be honest and admit that CAS has the better reputation and is more elite, but the state colleges at cornell are still respected. Even in Florida, cornell’s state colleges like agriculture and ecology have a nice reputation, and that is not just from the people in farming. You don’t have to be into farning to go to cornell cals or cornell ecology schools. They have other programs and I’m also interested in the nutritional sciences. I’m also an athlete, but very interested in ecology. I got an acceptance through early action at Michigan and will probably be attending there even if I get into Cornell’s Ecology college. If I did get into Cornell CAS, I would have taken that over Michigan. But getting rejected from CAS and deferred from Ecology has me thinking more and more about U of M. I just don’t think it pays to go to a cornell state college over Michigan in my opinion. Knowing me, I could change my mind. Anyway, Happy New Year!</p>
<p>monydad, not a ■■■■■ at all. was just looking for some good advice. but now that you make such a ridiculous comment, may I kindly ask that you not call me a ■■■■■ when your post indicates that you have posted like almost 5000 times on college confidential and have been here for like 7 years!. I mean no offense to you. Just being honest and respectful and ask that you be the same. Thank you and have a nice day.</p>