<p>Do you guys find this to be true? The elite are familiar with the higher ed system and so know which schools are really at the top (they put Cornell the very last overall among Ivies) whereas "commoners" basically just lump them all top schools together. I've found the former to be true on CC but also in my wealthy, status-obsessed community.</p>
<p>To be fair, my brother goes there. University of Chicago gets a nicer response in our circle…UChicago has the opposite problem in that sense. We get a lot of respect among the elite but the average person doesn’t know what it is… I talked to this girl once who told me she goes to “University of Chicago” but I found out later she actually meant UIC! as in University of Illinois at Chicago…she didn’t even know UChicago existed even though she’s a Chicago resident lmao.</p>
<p>Yeah, that pretty much is true. The thing is, people from rich communities want to go to a college with a very well known name, most of the time, an ivy league. The people who get rejected from Harvard, brown, Columbia, Yale, etc. but get accepted to Cornell, will go to Cornell, because it’s an ivy league and people will recognize the name. However, what most people don’t know is that Cornell’s academics are extremely challenging, in some cases, even more so than other ivies. Unfortunately, not everyone can handle all of the rigorous courses and end up dropping out. This also might have something to do with the high suicide rate at Cornell. Don’t get me wrong, it is a fantastic school, but some people just go there because it’s an ivy and expect the academics to be easier than the other ivies. That is just not true at all.</p>
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<p>With all due respect to the rest of your post, this line isn’t true.
I agree that Cornell is no cakewalk, but the suicide rate really is not that high.</p>
<p>I don’t think the average person off the street will know UChicago nor Cornell, although they will probably recognize the term “Ivy League.” I’ve lived in Chicago and even some Chicagoans don’t know the difference b/w UIC and UChicago. </p>
<p>Among the elite (and I attended high school in a wealthy neighborhood), I think they’re regarded about the same, in that second tier of schools behind the Harvard/Yale/Princeton/MIT tier. You would have to be extremely neurotic to split hairs b/w UChicago and Cornell.</p>
<p>Actually Cornell’s retention rate is essentially similar to all the other Ivies. It’s suicide rate is no higher. And at my “elite” high school and in my “elite” suburban community, Chicago is considered an Ivy safety.</p>
<p>Not really…Chicago gets more respect IMO because of the quality of its programs and admit stats. However, my point was not to compare Chicago and Cornell but to note that Cornell is ALWAYS compared to all the schools in the Ivy League yet consistently comes out last, at least when the elite are concerned. However, the common people in NYC for example instantly recognize Cornell and are impressed. </p>
<p>I heard Cornell students feel awkward during games with other Ivy Leagues because it’s a constant reminder of where they got rejected from…is that true?</p>
<p>Well maybe it’s not anymore but when my sister applied there, the suicide rate was quite a bit higher than all the other ivies.</p>
<p>Outside of CC, I haven’t really heard any kind of negative talk about Cornell. I’ve only gotten very positive feedback at the NIH, at the hospital, when I was interviewing for med school, on internships. Keep in mind, I attend med school where 70% of my classmates came from a top 20 college. No one makes fun of or really cares anymore to split hairs b/w colleges. Employers and grad schools know which schools are good. Cornell is good. Uchicago is good. Harvard is good. MIT is good. Beyond that, they really look at the individual. Those expecting to ride their school name to success will be very disappointed.</p>
<p>edit: not sure when your sister applied but Cornell’s suicide rate has consistently been slightly below the national average.</p>
<p>I find that in real life, a person is not gonna be like BAHAHA YOU GO TO A CORNELL STATE SCHOOL LOLZ…especially employers who have to be professional. However, a lot of people do think that way. On a forum like CC, they can be more honest because they can’t be held accountable, hence the much heavier prevalence of such sentiment on CC. </p>
<p>Granted, most of the people I know at Cornell couldn’t care less and I agree it’s petty. However, there’s this one kid who’s really prestige-obsessed (she’s like not so good-looking let’s just say and so has to rely on academics to feel good about herself) and she’s really upset she got rejected by all other Ivies. She goes to CALS and says she wished she were at a “normal” top school getting a “normal” degree…her dream school was Dartmouth but she didn’t get in, but she chose Cornell CALS over Vanderbilt and is now wishing she’d gone to Vandy instead because of Cornell’s rep.</p>
<p>LOL Chicago. Just enjoy your outstanding athletic program on your fun, bucolic campus…</p>
<p>In 1998. You all are right, though. The suicide rate is definitely not that high anymore.</p>
<p>[MetaEzra</a> – Cornell’s Suicide Rate: Still Lower Than Average](<a href=“http://www.metaezra.com/archive/2010/07/cornells_suicide_rate_still_lo.shtml]MetaEzra”>MetaEzra -- Cornell's Suicide Rate: Still Lower Than Average)</p>
<p>I would suggest reading the above for some hard numbers in regards to the actual number of suicides at Cornell. And, yes, Cornell’s suicide rate was still below average in 1998.</p>
<p>And for those of you who have dealt with or have seen depression or suicidality, you know what a slap in the face it is to attribute it to a specific college.</p>
<p>Chicago, after but one semester, you’re already ■■■■■■■■ on other school’s sites. Seems like you are at a place where fun goes to die…</p>
<p>I have to say, the ■■■■■■■■ on CC is much more cleverly veiled than the ■■■■■■■■ on ACB and the like. Touche!</p>
<p>dude just because somebody questioned one little thing about Cornell doesn’t mean it’s automatically ■■■■■■■■. to put the question in reverse though, do you think the elite regards cornell just as highly as other ivies? probably not…just telling it like it is. Cornell IS prestigious overall, just not as prestigious as others among the elite. It IS well-known by commoners esp in NYC.</p>
<p>Who gets to be part of the “elite”? I certainly haven’t been asked to join :(. Maybe you could get me a membership application! :)</p>
<p>lolwut? elite=wealthiest, most educated people in America basically like Westchester County, Western CT towns, etc</p>
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If I were rich, I certainly wouldn’t live in Connecticut. </p>
<p>∴ I don’t really care about your “elite” one way or another. Have a lovely day :)</p>
<p>As important as this area is to people in that area, MOST people have never heard of it. I’m one of them. It seems rather “small-minded” to assume that a small group of people can deem something elite or otherwise. It’s a big world out there…</p>