<p>“…very similar to the regular SUNY Colleges in NY.”</p>
<p>??? Did you not read the post right above, “Many true state schools have 90%+ who are in-state.” ???</p>
<p>"maybe years ago, Cornell CAS was much more prestigious than graduating from a state contract college at cornell. "</p>
<p>Yeah it was considered a little more prestigious, IMO, but that didn’t keep grads from those programs from accomplishing great things. The other colleges were still considered strong in their own right. Talking about your lawyer guy, I personally know three people I went to school with who graduated from ILR and are now partners in Wall Street law firms. Perhaps he works for one of them…
There were many top students who found programs that matched ther interests close enough and enabled their families to save needed money. In particular I recall a number of bio majors. They were not held back from future accomplishment by doing so.</p>
<p>Besides, if you affirmatively want the curriculum, and major, offered at one of the specialty colleges, they each are, and were, about the best place in America to study those respective disciplines. There is no place more prestigious in those particular areas of study.</p>
<p>"If you want a bio major and you’re from New York, why would you pay tens of thousands more to get the same degree? "
Indeed that’s the way they were looking at it. The major is only what, 1/3 of total courses, there are still differences. But many come out on the CALS side in this decision, particularly if they are NY residents.</p>
<p>SUNY colleges have more than 90% of their students from NY, not 50%. CALS is so much broader than ag, as a relatively small minority of students in the college major in this. Most popular CALS majors are the highly regarded business program [AEM is top 5 Business Week, top 10 US News], and biology.</p>
<p>monydad, no offense, but it is you who did not read the post carefully.
indeed, many state schools have 90% plus
the post referred to SUNY schools - it was clear, read it again
as for college and work, you will find ivy grads that work for community college grads or those that did not even graduate. you point is obvious
my cousin went to Amherst and his step-sister went to Yale.
They both work at Hedge funds which are run by guys that dropped out of UCLA.
your point states the obvious.
no one ever said that the state contract colleges at cornell will hold anyone back - read the posts. The state contract colleges are excellent.
The only point being made here is that the state colleges at cornell are not nearly as selective as the Arts & Science or Engineering college - in terms of applications, selectivity or stats. it is Arts & Sciences that is similar to the other ivys in terms of the arts and science curriculum and cross applications.
no one was saying anything else.
just keep it simple
and P.S. ILR is also an excellent school - no one ever said its not.
would anyone who wanted to be a lawyer go there over HYPS and probably Cornell CAS, don’t think so, at least not over HYPS.
p.s. monydad, we all know that college is what you make of it. the kid who goes to Iowa state can wind up being more successful that the kid from Stanford.<br>
but in terms of being real, I don’t think anyone can dispute that Cornell CAS is much more in line in every way, admissions selectivity & curriculum, with schools like HYPS, Dartmouth… that is not true for CALS, but that does not make cals an inferior school. When it comes to Agriculture and those fields CALS is probably one of the best in the nation. Good luck to you.</p>
<p>“…the post referred to SUNY schools”</p>
<p>please provide your link to SUNY schools undergraduate geographic distribution.
It is general impression around here (in-state) that SUNY schools do not have wide appeal out of state.</p>
<p>I visited Binghamton, which is a part of the SUNY system in New York. Their web site shows that at least 25% are from out of state. Cornell’s state colleges is just over 50% from NY. The endowed colleges seem to attract more applicants from across the country, with about 20% from NY. That is more similar to the the home state ratio at the other ivys. The reasonI see why the state colleges at cornell don’t attract that many out of staters and internationals, is not only due to its cheaper tuition, but also because their programs are highly specialized. Upstate NY is well know as a major agricultural center, with many farming industries, hence being attracted to CALS. Make sense?
Behappy, please check the exact stats before making posts.</p>
<p>Selectivity =/= Prestige</p>
<p>Again, very few people beyond the age of 19 gives a crap about acceptance rates and yield and average SAT scores. That is a CC phenomenon that very few outsiders care about. Cornell is Cornell. Most of my classmates in med school for example know what Cornell is. But, do they know (or care) that Cornell has CALS, CAS, Hotel, Engineering schools? No. Do med schools or grad schools care? No. Do employers care? No. I was a CAS student but at no point EVER EVER have I been asked which college I attended at Cornell. Not when I was applying to jobs. Not when I was applying to internships. Not when I was applying to med school.</p>
<p>Selectivity as a measure of prestige is dominant on CC and in high school circles where many neurotic high school students base their identity on the college they go to. In real life, as you will discover, Cornell and any other top college get their respect from things other than acceptance rates.</p>
<p>most people over 19 don’t care. you are right about that. but the first question I hear most people asking to someone who is from (admitted, attending, graduated) to cornell, is what college did you attend, state or private. I know that’s is not an accurate description of the different colleges. it may not be right, but there are a lot of people out there, not just coulter, who feel that if its not arts & sciences or engineering at cornell, its not that prestigious. there are like thousands of posts about that here on cc. I wish I knew why kids who go to hyps or the other top schools never debate these issues? I also wish I knew why its basically that kids that go to the state colleges at cornell that have to say how good the school is. you never see that kind of stuff from the students who got in to arts or engineering (they have something different to show - why CAS or engineering is just as good as HYPS, which they usually say after they don’t get in to those schools. there is probably no threads here at cc with HYPS applicants questioning any concern about those schools, like there is with the cornell state colleges. just an observation. this thread has been mostly very informative. thanks.</p>
<p>Outside of CC, I haven’t heard any kid from CALS or Hotel or ILR have to defend their school. Again, this kind of stuff you’ll realize as you grow up. In a couple of years, you too will smile at all these posts debating whether a school with a 15% acceptance rate is better than a school with a 25% acceptance rate and how irrelevant that is.</p>
<p>The above post (#89) is so right. Big deal, no one really says that they would go to cornell over HYPS, so what’s the big deal. If CAS or Engineering at cornell are more selective, prestigious or whatever else, again, no big deal. The colleges at cornell are all close in terms of prestige and all of them have excellent reps. It all comes down to what you do with your education and how well it prepares you for work or grad school.</p>
<p>Mr. Norcalguy, where do you draw the line at acceptance rates being important - 15%, 25% … or does it make no difference as you seem to say. if that is so, why not go to the cheapest state or private college and get the best grades you can, no matter what their selection rate is. You see, once you acknowledge a selection rate is important (as you probably will) then why isn’t 15% better than 25% and HYPS 8% better than a college with 15%. Analyze this please…</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>And for many students, this is indeed the best choice. Many of my classmates (who are really really smart) went to their state school, got excellent grades, and ended up at the same great med school I am in. The only difference is that they aren’t 200k in debt like I am. I don’t regret my choice because I loved my experience at Cornell but I certainly didn’t choose Cornell because of its acceptance rate. I choose Cornell because of its location, its campus, the strength of its programs, and the overall vibe I got. When you consider those factors, it is certainly very possible for someone to choose a school with a 25% acceptance rate over one with a 15% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I know that, as a high schooler, you would love to brag about your college and how hard it is to get into and how smart you must be. But, you will realize that the school doesn’t make you the person you will turn out to be. I didn’t get into med school because Cornell has a 20% acceptance rate (heck, back when I applied, Cornell had a 30% acceptance rate; does that mean it is 1/3 better today?). I got into med school because I was smart and hard working and had great EC’s. I was aided by the rigor of Cornell’s courses, the fact Cornell had a really good health advisor, and that there were a lot of EC opportunities both at Cornell and in the Ithaca community. None of that had anything to do with CAS or CAS’ acceptance rate.</p>
<p>“but I certainly didn’t choose Cornell because of its acceptance rate. I choose Cornell because of its location, its campus, the strength of its programs, and the overall vibe I got”</p>
<p>Indeed norcalguy.</p>
<p>It’s only pimple faced, snot nosed, insecure 17 year old ■■■■■■ on this site who value acceptance rates as their prime criterion in selecting a college.</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
<p>right sccotad, but USNWR, the colleges themselves, and the press all value acceptance rates big time; the schools publish it all over their brochures and web sites, so it is valued, even if some don’t think it is that important. wrong or not, it is a major factor in admissions… Do you think Stanford would be such a desired and admired school if they accepted 1/2 of the applicants?</p>
<p>Correlation does not signify causality.</p>
<p>Stanford has a low acceptance rate because it is a great school with a limited number of seats. It is not a great school because it has a low acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Cornell has a higher acceptance rate because:
- It is a bigger school with more seats to fill.
- Its specialized (Hotel, ENG, ILR, CALS, AAP) schools’ applicants are self-selective, so the applicant pool is usually qualified.</p>
<p>FWIW, New York residents comprise 92% of Suny Albany undergrads and 85% of Stony Brook’s. The other two"flagships", Buffalo is in the low 80%s, and Binghamton appears to be also, from secondary sources.</p>
<p>As these are the only SUNYS with any out of state appeal whatsoever,other than perhaps Geneseo, one would expect that the other non-flagship" SUNYS would have substantially higher % from New York State.</p>
<h2>@mony, at Binghamton’s web site, they show at about 25% out of state / international - meaning about 75% from in state. the SUNYs are good schools and priced right for NY and even out of state residents. I think Binghamton was just written up as #1 in value by some leading magazine</h2>
<p>fit and what a student is looking for is important. but think about this: HYPS, BROWN, COLUMBIA are all basically liberal arts colleges (aside for a few which offer engineering or some other smaller divisions) and Cornell’s is similar in terms of its Arts & Science college.) There is only so much “fit” that a student can have at any school, whether it be HYPS or Cornell CAS. For the students applying to HYPS - they are applying to arts & sciences colleges, like Cornell CAS. there may be an appeal of certain departments, location, etc, but they are all kind of similar. What distinguished these liberal arts colleges is their prestige, which happens to be basically based on selectivity. the student applying to Cornell CAS would rarely (if ever) go there if accepted by the others - the main reason being the prestige factor. the state colleges at cornell are not arts & science schools and don’t really have cross applications with HYPS. their yield is higher given the specific nature of the majors offered</p>
<p>Universityin2015, enjoy your college career in Binghamton, envious of the glorious school on a hill in groovy Ithaca…</p>
<p>And universityin2015, Cornell’s admit rate last year was 18%, not 50%. Will you be majoring in math or statistics?</p>
<p>Universityin2015 - I hate to burst your bubble, but are you aware that University of Chicago had an acceptance rate near 40% recently? College of the Ozarks came in at about 9%. UPenn used to be around 50% but was still considered a top university. </p>
<p>This allegedly more prestigious endowed Engineering School at Cornell usually has the highest acceptance rate in the university and the AAP (endowed) school has the lowest test scores. </p>
<p>Do ANY of those numbers reflect the quality of education provided or the quality of student? No. Seriously. You’re barking up the wrong tree. As another person in the real world, I can attest that nobody cares about all this minutae. People will stand or fall on their own, and many who stand better than the rest will come from schools you probably wouldn’t even mention on here for fear of being mocked.</p>