<p>I don’t think I’ll be at Binhghamton. MIT was my first choice - deferred. Columbia is second and then there are a bunch of others, including Cornell, that I like a lot.
Yes, of course Cornell’s overall admit rate is about 18%. No one questioned that.
It is the CAS that has the lowest admit rate, more akin to the other ivys, which I thought was a point of this post.
<a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a>
Also, you may want to check Binghamton’s admit rate, I think it is closer to 1/3, But I don’t care and never discussed that.
The only point being made above is that CAS at Cornell had the lowest acceptance rate.
AppleJack, I see you mentioned Penn. I think their acceptance rate is way lower than Cornell, but you seem to know the stats best.
The fact is that none of this matters. A kid from any state school can be far more successful than a kid from an ivy or other top school. Its not all about name.
You seem to know a lot about this stuff. Can you explain why there are no threads about any other ivy or top school like Duke, Georgetown etc where people have these kinds of concerns like they have with cornell. there are probably hundreds of posts here on cc for the last 5 years about people questioning the prestige of cornell and/or the quality of the university undergradates because of the state funded schools or something else. but not another college seems to have this kind of discussion going on. any explanations?</p>
<p>Some of you seem to be missing the point.
As post #83 by poolboy said, no one is saying that going to one of the state colleges will somehow hinder your future prospects. I agree that they get their share of smart students. I agree that they go on to do great things too. I agree that no one teases them about the school they went to after they graduate.</p>
<p>All we ARE saying is that the state schools are not as selective as CAS or CE. Like norcalguy mentioned, no one else might care if the school you went to has a 25% acceptance rate instead of a 15% rate as long as you graduated from the same Cornell. HOWEVER, rankings, especially US News, DO CARE about the stats that some of you seem to deem irrelevant, and as flawed as the rankings are, they DO affect the perception of colleges to the general public. And in time, as other colleges become more selective than Cornell, they will eventually overtake it. All leading to a continual decrease in prestige and ranking until Cornell does something about it.</p>
<p>As much as you think the opinions of high school students don’t matter, decreases in rank do affect their perception and the quality of people that apply and matriculate to Cornell, and in due time will have a negative impact on Cornell. </p>
<p>Bottom line: As I have been continually saying…Cornell needs to start playing the rankings game (just like the other top schools), and a good way to start would be to increase the selectivity of the state schools.</p>
<p>@universityin2015</p>
<p>5+ years ago, the majority of the “rank the ivies” threads had Cornell at around 4 or 5 (after HYP and maybe Columbia). It is only when the other top schools started playing the rankings game and thus surpassed Cornell’s rank for several consecutive years that people like me have voiced their opinions that (as much as some people hate it) Cornell also needs to start playing the rankings game.</p>
<p>you make some good points
unless cornell increases selectivity at their state colleges, it will be tough to increase their ranking, even if that ranking means nothing.
what colleges are you looking at?</p>
<p>Actually, Cornell submitted some incorrect data that one year which led them to be ranked unreasonably high. Cornell has always been ranked in the 10-20 area and usually has been regarded as one of the “lower ivies.” This was when I applied which was in that 5+ year range. In fact, it was only recently that Cornell climbed above Brown in the rankings.</p>
<p>I actually think universityin2015, poolboy, and wavedasher are the same person based on their writing style and the way they quote. Clever ■■■■■.</p>
<p>“@mony, at Binghamton’s web site, they show at about 25% out of state / international - meaning about 75% from in state”</p>
<p>Even if that is true, for undergraduate, that is not representative of SUNY, that is likely the lowest out of all of them. SUNY Albany is 92% NYS. The non-flagships are probably all high.</p>
<p>However I did not find any undergraduate geographic origin listed on Binghamton’s website, please provide link. I saw a stat for international students at 10% but presumably this includes graduate students also.
I found data that comes out to a little over 80% on Princeton Review.</p>
<p>internationals and out of state add up to 25%
<a href=“http://www2.binghamton.edu/admissions/pdf/premier-public.pdf[/url]”>http://www2.binghamton.edu/admissions/pdf/premier-public.pdf</a>
I think Binghamton itself is more reliable than second hand info.
“even if that is true” you say
I only say things that are true…
I never said it was or was not representative of anything, SUNY or otherwise- that was you
anyway, apology accepted.
but anyway, this thread is not about Binghamton
nice evening to you</p>
<p>“I never said it was or was not representative of anything, SUNY or otherwise-”</p>
<p>I didn’t say you did. I’m just making it clear that it isn’t representative. Since that goes to how closely Cornell’s contract colleges resemble SUNYs in this respect, which is what was brought up in the first place. The one data point that was cited was the one you brought up, which actually is the low markof the SUNYs, not their typical.</p>
<p>“that was you”.
I said it wasn’t representative. Not that it was representative.</p>
<p>Thank you for the link, I was unable to find it.</p>
<p>@norcalguy, I don’t have the kind of time or reason to make 3 different accounts and repeatedly post on the same topic just to convince anonymous internet users.</p>
<p>But maybe you do judging by your post count.</p>
<p>Also, I said “rank the ivies threads” not US News rankings…plus, I also said “top schools” have been playing the rankings games not “ivies” have been playing the rankings game.</p>
<p>Why don’t you read my posts more carefully before trying to bash me about my opinions.</p>
<p>P.S. And if you think universityin2015 and I have anywhere near the same writing styles, you should go back to Cornell and take some writing classes.</p>
<p>ok monydad, glad to provide the link
on the subject of Binghamton, looking at that brochure, it does look like they are getting a pretty good reputation.
let me ask you monydad, for a NY resident (or even an out of stater) do they save $200 k and go to Binghamton instead of Cornell if, say, they think they want to be an engineer, physician, or lawyer or most anything else? what is your opinion on that? thanks.</p>
<p>“what is your opinion on that?”
Better yet, why not take their opinion:</p>
<p><a href=“http://binghamtonreviewonline.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2009/09/september-2009-final.pdf[/url]”>http://binghamtonreviewonline.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2009/09/september-2009-final.pdf</a></p>
<p>My son has applied to Binghamton. Actually he’s already in. He might go there.</p>
<p>He did not apply to Cornell because, despite legacy status, he thought CAS would have been a big reach for him, did not have a clear affinity for any of its specialty colleges, and more to the point he thinks the academics there might be tougher sledding than what he can handle.</p>
<p>As to whether a student might be better off attending a state school rather than a selective private, if the ultimate goal is law school or med school, that’s an oft-debated question that transcends either Cornell or Binghamton.</p>
<p>But around here, basically people who felt comfortable at either place would generally only choose Binghamton over Cornell if they needed to for financial reasons, quite frankly, is the truth. IMO. But I imagine there are people who do make that choice. It’s a lot of money, not everyone has it, and Binghamton isn’t horrible. (the school that is). Its actually gotten better, vs. the other SUNY “flagships”, and they’ve put money into the campus and buidings.</p>
<p>Binghamton is a very impressive University in most every respect.
My college advisor at H.S. likes it more than most every other school in the entire country
even if it cost thousands more, he still thinks it is one of the best,
and he went to the University of Rochester undergrad and Columbia grad (teaching)
Thanks and good luck to you and your son.</p>
<p>“My college advisor at H.S. likes it more than most every other school in the entire country”</p>
<p>My son’s guidance counselor was selling it hard too, but I think he was doing so largely from the perspective of the pocketbooks of the parents, for whom he has most sympathy IMO. And I, for one, appreciate that.</p>
<p>Hyperbole aside, though it may be the best SUNY option currently, it lacks the national reputation and recognized caliber of programs of the nation’s leading state universities.</p>
<p>On the Cornell sub-forum every year we have boatloads of students agonizing about Berkeley in-state vs. Cornell, and I think the majority of them have chosen Cornell. </p>
<p>I can’t recall any threads on this sub-forum where someone was seriously agonizing about Binghamton vs. Cornell.</p>
<p>@monydad, I agree with you.</p>
<p>I’m with norcalguy: 3 aliases, 1 moron…posters try to identify an ‘inferiority complex’ among Cornellians, when in reality, it’s always outsiders starting these stupid threads.</p>
<p>There should not be any inferiority complex. Cornell is as good if not better than most any colleges. for those that go there, it is #1.
■■■■■■ have to find something else to do with their time.
Good luck to everyone admitted and everyone applying!!
This whole debate is getting kind of old.</p>
<h2>Here is what I said in another post. Hopefully, this will end the debate once and for all</h2>
<p>This debate is old. It seems to be coming from kids applying to or in the state contracted colleges at cornell. Understand this, the state schools are distinct and specialized. Yes, they don’t have the super stat applicants and low admit ratios like CAS at Cornell. They don’t really have the cross applications with the likes of HYPS, Brown Dartmouth for students like the CAS at Cornell does. It’s because CAS is an Arts & Science college, exactly like HYPS, Dartmouth, Brown, etc. The state contracted schools are much different, still they are very prestigious even if admission is not as difficult as CAS.
Again, I must ask why is it that only Cornell applicants/students have this debate about prestige? I don’t think it is coming from the CAS or Engineering kids who by Cornell’s own stats are their most selective, numbers and admit rate wise. I think it’s either coming from ■■■■■■ who were denied admission or from those who are in the state contract colleges and need to say they are just as good. Newsflash: You are just as good, just in a different kind of college at cornell, which overall is a first rate university.</p>
<p>^
You just wrote this on the other thread. What’s your game here? Let it go.</p>
<p>apple, if you read it I said it was from another post
come on, I’m trying to end the debate
just let it go and move on. enough with this already
I’m sure we could be doing something more important.</p>
<p>Sure we could. You, for instance, could go on being a junior in high school and stop being a sanctimonious know-it-all on the internet.</p>