Cornell ED or Brown ED? i love both, help me out?

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<p>After visiting Brown + Cornell, I've come to the realization that they're both schools I'd love. I think I'm a credible applicant at either one. Which one would I stand a better chance of getting into ED? (I know I've already made a chance thread on this forum once but i think this is a different question). Below are some stats </p>

<p>Gender: M
Race: Indian
Location: suburban NJ (HS ranked 4th statewide recently)
SAT: 2370 (800 M, 770 CR, 800 W), 1 sitting, not superscored
PSAT: 226 (so should get semi-finalist before ED time rolls around)</p>

<p>-SAT IIs: 800 Chem, 800 US History, 800 Bio, 800 Math II, 800 World History
-GPA: 95.50 weighted, 4.1/4.0, top 10%, school doesn't rank </p>

<p>APs
-Chem 5
-Bio 5
-Stat 5
-US Hist 5
-Calc AB 5
English Lang 5
-I guess I would be "AP Scholar with Distinction", I know it doesn't mean much</p>

<p>Senior Year APs
-Calc BC, Physics C, English Lit, Gov + politics, Econ</p>

<p>-ECs: 4 year wreslter, JV sportsmanship award, no great awards/hooks (common app essay will be about wrestling, not too many indian wrestlers)</p>

<p>-300hrs comm. service at local hospital
-3 yr Model UN and Youth and Government member
-Exec Council for Model Congress (club got funds taken away end of soph year, had to disband)</p>

<p>-Peer Leader senior year
-EMT class of 120 hrs summer before senior year
will be state certified EMT-basic since early september 2009</p>

<p>I'd be a prospective bio major---->med school</p>

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<p>Since your ultimate goal is medical school,
how set are you on Brown’s LPME program? I would go that route ED with Brown ED. You might have a spot in medical school waiting for you.</p>

<p>It’s something Cornell cannot offer.</p>

<p>However, Ithaca is much different than Providence. They are two different schools with two different “cultures.” Have you read what students have to say? A good website is **************.com. I would read each school’s thing in its entirety and doing some research on your own too before deciding.</p>

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<p>no, I dont want PLME ( no chance I’d get in)</p>

<p>i realize that they’re 2 different cultures (Cornell seems a bit more competitive within itself while Brown seems slightly more easy going but just as academically talented)</p>

<p>Ithaca is relatively isolated while driving through Providence you could easily see that there was lots to do (my impression)</p>

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<p>go to Brown =)
Cornell’s not awful or anything, but for the sake of GPA, that program ^ mentioned, I’d recommend Brown.
Pre-meds at Cornell, at least during freshman year, are really annoying. The upperclassmen I’ve met doing pre-med (only 3) are more down-to-earth. I doubt the Brown ones are as obnoxious just because of the more lax grades, but I am not sure.</p>

<p>PS providence is kind of boring too
also you’ll be sick of all the jersey kids if you come here, get away</p>

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<p>You need to try to forecast where you might be happiest during your four years, both academically and socially, and also thereafter. Maybe try to overnight at each.</p>

<p>Cornell’s resources in biology are awesome, drawing on the resources of several of its colleges. And obviously pre-med is a well-worn path there. Academics are challenging, as a result you will be better prepared to succeed in entrance exams and graduate studies than otherwise. It features a large and highly diverse, campus-focused student community in a college town setting. The campus is beautiful, and the area is ringed by several state parks with great natural beauty, and the finger lakes. The size of its student community leads to a high level of activities and opportunities in many arenas. Alumni of Cornell benefit from a large and active alumni group; alumni activities in the NY metropolitan area are numerous.</p>

<p>Brown has its own set of excellences, and features.</p>

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<p>holly crap you have amazing stats.</p>

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<p>thanks to those who’ve responded but all I’m asking is where I’d have a better chance of getting in ED?</p>

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<p>What College at Cornell are you considering applying to?</p>

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<p>im applying to CAS with CALS as alternate (i know alternate is pretty much ignored)</p>

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<p>Then my guess is:</p>

<p>Given completely equal ability to demonstrate in your essays that the particular school is obviously and uniquely the perfect match to advance your aspirations, and you were clearly born to attend there,</p>

<p>then Cornell would be a somewhat easier admit for you.
I’ve gotten the impression over the years that Brown de-emphasizes scores, relatively, over extracurriculars, and they have a smaller class to fill.</p>

<p>But that’s just a guess, and there are no guarantees.</p>

<p>I think you should really think about where you’d rather go, where you best fit, and apply ED there. If you’ve really thought it out your essays will reflect that, and then you have the best chance for that reason, and it will be worth it. You seem on paper like a good candidate for any school, so from both their perspective and yours it’s about fit.</p>

<p>Personally if I were doing ED to CAS I would not specify a Cornell ED backup at all. Applying to CAS means you value a liberal arts curriculum, so I would have expected that your second choice school in the whole world would more likely be another Arts & Sciences College rather than CALS. If CALS accepted you ED you would have to go, so you’d better actually want it #2 in the world. But that’s just my own view. If it actually would be #2 in your whole world, and you can craft an intelligent statement for why that makes sense, then by all means go ahead.</p>

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<p>BTW, I understand Cornell has outstanding wrestling facilities, and a big intramural sports program, maybe they do wrestling there. And they have model UN. Those might be some things you want to explore. You could also call the Tompkins County hospital about EMT & related opportunities.</p>

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<p>Don’t base your ED decision on which school is easier to get into…you really need to ask yourself which school you prefer in terms of academics, social life, location, tuition, etc. Where do you think you’d be happiest for the next 4 years of your life? It may or may not be at the school that’s most likely to admit you.</p>

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<p>This is a chance thread, no matter how you spin it. You are not asking if Cornell or Brown would be a better fit for you, you are asking which one you would have a better chance of getting in. As such, this is probably not a good forum for you to ask this question. I would imagine there are probably not that many students who applied to both Cornell and Brown. My daughter did not apply to Brown. Therefore I don’t think you could get a real answer from students here - Oh, I applied to both, I got into both, or I got into Cornell but not Brown. If you were to ask about Cornell vs UPenn, Duke, or NU, you may get a better answer.</p>

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<p>I don’t really agree with that, I imagine there are plenty of people who apply to both these schools. You’re falling into the same trap that I think another poster is, projecting your own frame of reference as if it was equally applicable to 13,000 undergrads, spanning Cornell’s diverse programs.</p>

<p>There are likely many people at Cornell who would alternatively have been interested in the shools you mentioned, but there are no doubt others who have different inclinations who have also found Cornell to be the best place to meet their own needs. For all I know the number of such students at Cornell who may have been equally happy at Brown may equal the size of the student body at Brown. </p>

<p>Everyone at Cornell is not the same, There is no mass campus culture that is ubiquitously applicable. It is large enough so that people can find their own niche of like-minded companions and still have a large social network, while largely ignoring the other people. Some types of people may be more prevalent than others, but in total the numbers of such others will still wind up being substantial.</p>

<p>For example, there are lots of people at Cornell who join fraternities and sororities. There are more people at Cornell who don’t, and some of them don’t really care for such things at all. There are people at Cornell who want Wall Street careers. On the other hand, many of my classmates went on to get PhDs, and several of them are college professors today. There are many students from wealthy suburbs, and many others from small towns and still others from the ends of the earth. These people do not all share uniform values and objectives. They are there for a world class education, in an environment where they will find ample like-minded people to socialize with. But in no way does that mean that everyone there marches to the same beat. There are many beats.</p>

<p>My D2 did not apply to Brown but certainly might have, maybe they did not offer Spring transfer admissions, or maybe did not seem to have as good programs in the specific things she was interested in. But otherwise I’m sure she would have applied there. She is very happy at Cornell, but certainly would have fit in with the culture at Brown as I perceive it.</p>

<p>Cornell is too large and diverse to pigeonhole that way, it is not a small homogeneous LAC.</p>

<p>For that matter people at Brown are not all the same either, I’ve known several grads who don’t fit with each other, really, at all.</p>

<p>Which all goes to, while this may not be the absolutely most common cross-applicant pairing, I’m sure it has a decent representation and is not all that unheard of at all.</p>

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<p>Since I am also applying ED to Cornell as a bio major…I’d say you should try Brown ED ;)</p>

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<p>monydad - we can only project based on our own experience or information. It is why we gather information from many different sources and draw our own conclusion from that. Of anyone I have come in contact with (Cornell students included), I have met very few people who have considered both Cornell and Brown at the same time. I am always curious of people’s opinion, so if there is anyone here who’s been interested in both schools, lets hear why, other than because they are both Ivies and they are perceived to be the easiest to get into.</p>

<p>Not everyone at any place is the same, that’s given. On the other hand each school does draw a certain type of people. For a school of Cornell’s size, you are going to find more diversity. Because of that, one has to like the size and diversity to appreciate a school like Cornell. A person who likes touchy feeling of a small school may be lost at a school like Cornell. Again, you are going to be of a certain type to go to Cornell. One question my daughter posed to me this summer was, “Do people define Cornell or does Cornell define who we are after 4 years?”</p>

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<p>“Of anyone I have come in contact with (Cornell students included…”</p>

<p>I am not just a parent, I attended college and grad school there myself and lived there for 5 years. Consequently I daresay I have come in contact with a greater range of members of this greater community than you have. The range of personalities I encountered there is immense. This is unlikely to have changed. </p>

<p>The other Arts & Sciences colleges D2 applied to were stand-alone liberal arts colleges, with no fraternities or D1 sports, and could easily have included Brown. Why? Because they both have outstanding offerings in liberal arts. And in both cases D2 was likely find a social group that she would be happy with. In my own day, as a student interested in science but also considering engineering as a possibility, I’m surprised I did not consider Brown. They both were highly regarded schools with programs in both liberal arts and engineering, and were within 5 hours of my home.</p>

<p>OP is interested in both.</p>

<p>Basically, lots of people interested in majoring in a CAS subject might be interested in both. Of course there are some modifiers, like if they really wanted, or hated the very presence of, a big frat scene, or really loved hockey. Or felt they needed to be near a bigger city. But these modifiers should stuill leave plenty of people with common ground.</p>

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<p>Have any of those members tell you they have applied to both Cornell and Brown, and why? I doubt it’s a conversation that would come up that often (not exactly a cocktail conversation). By the fact you may have come in contact with more Cornellians, doesn’t mean you have more information on this particular topic. Or am I missing something? But in my limited contact with some students and applicants I haven’t found it to be the case.</p>

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<p>You originally suggested that this was some sort of impossibility due to some sort of unspecified drastic differences that precluded any areas of common ground between the two.</p>

<p>My point was it is unlikely that everyone there would share that perspective, many students would undoubtedly find much common interest. Possibly not a majority, but a reasonable number.</p>

<p>It follows logically that there would therefore be common applicants.</p>

<p>Nobody here has done a count. I’m just saying it is in no way inevitably obvious that there wouldn’t be a decent number of cross-applicants, and I imagine there is. Probably largely confined to CAS though.</p>