<p>I believe all college rankings, including that of US News, are highly subjective and of little or no value. With that caveat, and responding to a prior post, Cornell actually fares very well in US News ranking of “prestige.” US News ranking of “academic reputation”, which is a peer assessment of presidents, provosts, admission heads, and HS guidance counselors, has Cornell #6 [behind only HYPSM].</p>
<p>For the sake of argument, let’s just say MIT/Stanford and drop Duke/UChicago etc.</p>
<p>Does anyone here seriously believe that Brown/Cornell are “better” than MIT/Stanford? Anyone? Every single world university ranking has MIT and Stanford (along with Harvard and Oxford) at the very tippy top. I haven’t checked where Cornell is, but you’ll have to scroll down quite a ways to find Brown. This argument that MIT/Stanford are just upstart, fledgling universities with less reputation/name recognition than “ivies” is laughable.</p>
<p>That said, Cornell can be a better fit for a given student than Stanford/MIT. But it is not “better” in any sense of the word that I can think of.</p>
<p>ram0276:
It shows how little you know about Hotel School at Cornell. They do not learn how to make beds. They learn how to run a company with the main focus on hospitality. Do you know what it sounds like? Business school. You can take accounting, stats, finance in Hotel school just like AEM. Hotel school also has a minor Commercial Real Estate, it is not offered in AEM. My kid, as a CAS student, took securitization at the Hotel School, which was extremely helpful when interviewed for her IB job. Many Hotel school graduates go into IBanking, if that’s what they want to do. Graduates of Hotel School has the highest employment rate. Please do some research before you start posting.</p>
<p>Here we go again…Really?</p>
<p>CollegiateDreams: To each their own. In academia, you’re probably right. To the “man on the street” as you say, though also in my view, employers, we are right on par or more so than others. I just got a summer internship at a Hedge Fund that only hires from Harvard, Cornell, and MIT, noone else. I kid you not. But again, to each their own, you have your rankings, the U.S news has their rankings, and I have my rankings. All you need to know is I turned down a top 10 school for Cornell and never looked back. Cornell was something in the 30’s at the time? I personally don’t believe in the “rankings” system as it’s mostly subjective. So in MY VIEW, I view the Ivies in the top 8. Nough said.</p>
<p>ram0276: This person hit the nail right on the head. If he’s not a Cornellian, he’s destined to become one. He “get’s” it. Get’s what many of you seemed to have missed.</p>
<p>BreakingGrace: I’m in AEM. Want to know how much I’m getting for my summer internship alone? Perhaps I’m a special snowflake though as I do more than sleepwalk through AEM than most my fellow AEM kids. For “starting salary” I harbor no doubt that I will make 3-fold what an ILR or Hotelie would make. Engineering? Meh, you got me, maybe. Muah.</p>
<p>yeah lets hear the internship pay. also, did you get the internship through on campus recruiting or personal connections/networking? btw is it hard to get good internships through aem (as in do you have fierce competition from other aem students or are there enough internships to go around) just curious.</p>
<p>A combo of both actually. It was posted on Cornell Career Services but I knew a guy in the fund beforehand. My take over the summer is 35k. Hard to get internships through AEM? Nooo. In fact Google came to recruit only from AEM last semester. My dear friend god the internship, corporate finance-related stuff. So what you studying, Gracey? Are you even a girl? If not, I’ll stop the subtle flirtation. Peace.</p>
<p>Google didn’t just recruit from AEM last semester. They recruited from Engineering. I know because one engineering student we are trying to hire has an offer from Google. I don’t know that many firms only recruit from AEM.</p>
<p>unibames:
I believe you transferred to Cornell this past fall with 3.67 GPA from wherever as a Junior. Congrats that you are happy at Cornell, but I really do hate it when people brag. It is so unbecoming to tell people how much you make.</p>
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<p>Ah. This is a much less incendiary comment than the one you led with. Are you saying that the Ivies top 8 in overall “objective” factors? Or for your personal fit? I noticed the dearth of statistics and supporting evidence in your comment, so the first seems unlikely. However, if that was your intent, please cite some sort of data showing that Brown>MIT/Stanford. </p>
<p>Otherwise, you must have meant that the Ivies were top 8 for you. It seems very improbable that all 8 Ivies are a better fit for you than the other thousands of schools in the US. If that is the case, please explain how you would be happier at Brown AND Columbia (polar opposites, open vs. core) than all other schools.</p>
<p>I’m looking forward to hearing this.</p>
<p>I never meant to undermine MIT/Uchicago/Stanford/Duke. It’s obvious that all four are vastly superior to Cornell in almost all respects. I mean did you think I put MIT and Cornell on the same level? NEVER! My point is people should stop trying to undervalue the “Ivy” title in order to further progress the name of their own school. UChicago is totally vogue! It wasn’t till the 90’s that the school became hot.</p>
<p>Unibames transferred from community college to Cornell. He chose Cornell over Wharton. (<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/15347975-post19.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/15347975-post19.html</a>)</p>
<p>Unibames, care to comment on why this list of your top 8 schools to transfer to includes non-ivies? In fact, you have 3 non-ivy league schools ahead of Brown. :eek: I’m getting mixed signals here.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/802574-college-chances-ivy-prestiged-school.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/802574-college-chances-ivy-prestiged-school.html</a></p>
<p>oldfort: Did not make it yet. Lol. </p>
<p>unicameral2013: You’ll be severely dissapointed then Mr. Unknown class of 2017 as you and I do not evaluate universities in the same way so I will provide neither. And I applied to neither of those schools, so why would I waste our time even comparing them?</p>
<p>why are guys so rank and status obsessed? let me clear things up for everyone mindlessly reading this thread for an ego boost. it DOES make a difference to have an ivy league school on your resume. it DOES NOT automatically mean you are better than any other school. stanford and mit are better in most respects than most of the non-HYP ivies. regardless, all of the above mentioned schools are phenomenal. lets just leave it at that huh?</p>
<p>Cause in my posts on this very thread I made it clear I applied to non-ivies. Got into a little school called Oxford, they’re kinda up there in the world rankings which I know mean so much to you. Also, what I posted and what I ended up applying to was completely different. Now hop off your high horse. Can hardly believe he took the time to look up my former posts. Lulz. Peace.</p>
<p>I just wanted to make sure that Unibames had no rhyme or reason behind his statement that the Ivy League were the top 8 schools in the world. Now that we’ve clarified that there was no logic behind his assertion, I’ll be able to sleep tonight.</p>
<p>Unibames, it’s quite bad form to keep name dropping. Let your argument (or lack thereof, as has become abundantly clear) stand on its own. I don’t care what schools you got into/applied to/etc etc etc; I looked up your posts to refute your flimsy arguments. Using supporting evidence in debates is quite a nifty little trick I like to use, you should try it sometime.
What’s that supposed to mean?
Well you seem to know a lot about them, since you have deemed them both superior to all other schools in the USA. I was just curious as to what criteria you used to decide that Brown and Columbia, both very different schools, were in your top 8. Because, after all, they are ivies.</p>
<p>Well, you know one thing I don’t. I didn’t know this was a DEBATE. Hardcore. Ram0276 got it. There is rhyme and reason, which let’s just say it exists beyond the scope of your comprehension.</p>
<p>The problem here is this “supporting evidence” didn’t really support anything we didn’t already know, champ. I made it clear I applied to non-ivies. As far as debate goes, skilled debaters don’t employ logical fallacies or display redundancy in their “arguments.” </p>
<p>Now, you have commanded more than enough of my time. Back to using this site to actually helping people interested in Cornell. QED. G’night world. And Gracey, hit me up.</p>
<p>P.S: Why should the opinion of a total stranger on the internet interfere with your ability to sleep? Imo, you need to get out more. You’re welcome, and goodnight.</p>
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My apologies, I thought it was clear but in the future I’ll use my [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags to ensure your understanding.
[sarcasm]Look out world, we’ve got a master debater here.<a href=“Hint:%20type%20that%20into%20urban%20dictionary.%20I%20hope%20this%20is%20clear%20enough%20for%20you.”>/sarcasm</a>
Well, you appeared not to know that there were non-ivy league schools better than ivies. At least, that’s what you’ve been claiming this whole time. But yes, I agree that is quite obvious to everyone except yourself.</p>
<p>Anywho, I actually am interested in Cornell. I applied RD. I was actually kind of hoping to learn something from you that would make it more appealing, since you did choose Cornell over higher ranked schools. But until someone here presents some sort of evidence that Brown/Cornell>MIT/Stanford, I’m off. My arguments have probably been redundant. [sarcasm]But to be fair, you’re not giving me much to work with.[/sarcasm]</p>
<p>The 13,000 undergraduates at Cornell aren’t worrying about rankings. This is a stupid conversation. They are engaged learners and are making the most of their time there. Before my son went, we heard that it is “the easiest Ivy to get in, but the hardest to get out”. I would agree - my son is in engineering. He is being challenged every day. Everyone in his class was at the top of his high school class and it’s HARD. My guess is that it’s the same at the other colleges. Bill Gates gave $100 million to Cornell to build a new computer science building…why?..because so many of his great employees were educated there. Look beyond rankings to see where you want to be in 4+ years. That’s all that matters.</p>