<p>Cheers, I had the same thought about cavalier. Cavalier - this entire thread has the sad subtext of a boy who protested too much about drinking? Think carefully. I have to ask you. Are you at risk? Do you tell your parents about exactly where and how much you drink? Are they OK with it? Have your friends ever asked you not to drink too much?</p>
<p>These are the questions we needed to ask Lucifer. Some of us did. Some did not. I didn't. So I'm asking you.</p>
<p>I'm not defending binge drinking at all - I didn't mean for it to come off that way. I just wanted to point out that I felt that something was missing from the story, and the drugs could be the likely culprit.</p>
<p>Cheers and Alumother said exactly what I was thinking.
Apparently lucifer did not engage in moderate drinking. He engaged in excessive drinking. Your coment that "10 beers is not fatal" is so off the mark. If someone drinks 10 beers, especially in close proximity, they can get quite intoxicated, go to sleep or pass out, vomit, and suffocate from their own emesis. Not a pretty way to die. I don't recommend it, and I suggest you take a long, hard look at lucifers posts, and in the mirror. Excuse me for sounding a tad dramatic, but we dont want to be eulogizing you next here.</p>
<p>jym, I referred to 10 drinks as being moderate because lucifer was obviously drinking much, much more than that. Drinking 10 beers over the course of 4-5 hours is NOT what I'd call extreme (and believe me, I've seen worse.)</p>
<p>Defending moderate drinking for college students is also indefensible because that ain't the reality, cav. The established fact is that too many, possibly the majority of college age drinkers, binge drink. Most kids outgrow binge drinking and that's great but it doesn't alter the risk they took on in the first place. </p>
<p>Drugs don't change a darn thing. </p>
<p>Again, your posts are a worry. Sorry to hit you over the head with a 2 x 4 but you really should review your position, mano et mano with an adult.</p>
<p>There's just no way, from my perspective, to call 10 drinks "moderate consumption." Most adults I know drink socially, and that means 1 - 2 drinks with dinner. Maybe even a Bailey's or Irish coffee afterward. If I had an adult friend who thought it was okay to drink 10 of anything -- beer, wine or mixed drinks -- I would think that that person was an alcoholic. Kids who think that this is acceptable are in trouble, with a capital T -- if any of you recognize yourself here, you should seek counseling as soon as possible. Alcohol and drugs can be used to deal with undiagnosed anxiety or depression, and there are better treatments.</p>
<p>Cav...your posts/position also worry me. It is like you are saying...the alcohol consumption couldn't have killed him, it must have been drugs and a mix (note: I have no idea what was involved in this young man's death other than a report of alcohol in the news). It's like you are also denying that a lot of alcohol could do a kid in. You are talking like Lucifer did about tolerance and how he or someone could handle ten drinks or whatever. There is that same sense of "couldn't happen" and who can handle a lot of alcohol. Ten drinks is a lot for anyone. I think this death should demonstrate to you that even those who think they can "hold their liquor" are not immune. A lot of alcohol can kill. If someone passes out, there are affects. If someone drinks alot, their judgement is impaired and they may do dangerous things....be it drugs, drive, jump off something, etc. I'm not saying you are defending binge drinking or that you even do it yourself. But you do have a similar sense of how it ain't too bad and nothing will likely happen and/or that 10 drinks is not that much for some people (sounds like Lucifer's train of thought in his posts) and there are far worse, etc. Well, he ain't here, babe. Please learn he and others are not immune! Even if no drugs were involved, someone could die in these situations and others have....your age.</p>
<p>Alcohol can really screw with you. However, its especially bad when its mixed with other drugs. That is when most kids die of alcohol poisoning.</p>
<p>for a lot of college guys, ten beers really is a "moderate" amount.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don't know why anyone is speculating this boy (Lucifer) used drugs. It's completely irresponsible to jump to that conclusion, especially when his own grandfather acknowledged, in an interview, that his grandson had a problem with alcohol. </p>
<p>That's right, drinking large quantities of alcohol frequently is a PROBLEM.</p>
<p>"Autopsy: Alcohol intoxication killed Cornell student at U.Va.
[Lucifer's real name removed by moderator], 19, was found dead in a U.Va. residence hall bed Friday morning. He died of "alcohol intoxication," Arkuie Williams, an administrator for the medical examiner's office in Richmond, said Wednesday."</p>
<p>For no one is 10 beers a "moderate" amount.</p>
<p>Agreed. Just because someone else has 10 shots, or 15 beers, don't be fooled that 10 beers is moderate.</p>
<p>someone goes to a party at 6 at night and stays till 4 am. has ten beers throughout the night - not chugged right in a row. also drinking water and eating throughout the night.. that's one beer per hour. i'm not trying to defend it or anything - i can't stand beer. but i've seen people drink ten beers throughout a night and not be drunk at 4 am. for that person, over that period of time, 10 beers is a moderate amount. (at least I think so)</p>
<p>But who's counting? I don't mean to offend, but I find it hard to believe in the accuracy of these reports. Unless you're sitting in a well-lit corner with a clipboard, recollections like this are notoriously unreliable. They do seem to be taken as fact, though, and that's worrisome. </p>
<p>You might be right that 10 beers throughout over 12 hours is moderate, but to convince me you'd have to provide reliable data. I'm not convinced.</p>
<p>Fendergirl, if you are 23 and way past freshman follies, do you really think 10 beers is a moderate night out with alcohol? come on..are you joking? Ten beers equals Binge behavior and the word Moderate does not apply even if a loaf of bread was consumed between them. And lefthandofdog, you don't have to rely on "what drunk friends report or casual recollections" in terms of how many drinks over how many hours because there are entire scientific journals and solid scientific studies re alcohol intake out there and an entire industry of people involved in rehab studies. This thread is about an intelligent, popular and athletic young man in total denial who is dead. If his death helps you look at binge drinking with a more jaded eye, than that is good. But the title of this thread is about someone 19 years old on this board who constantly defended underage binge drinking with fuzzy logic and is now dead with confirmed alcohol poisoning. He claimed to know his "alcohol facts" inside out and did not feel the facts applied to him. He needed an intervention from the adults and friends in his world that loved him best.</p>
<p>Clarification: I don't believe students who think they are accurately reporting what other people, or even themselves, are drinking at a party that lasts for hours. So taken in the best light, I think they're deluding themselves (and I don't believe they even know how much is being consumed).</p>
<p>fendergirl,
Is the drinking someone Male or Female. What is their weight. I'll calculate estimated BAC for you.</p>
<p>Not only is ten drinks NOT moderate and indicates binge drinking...I don't know too many college parties that start as early as 6 PM...it is more like 10 PM and the party is NOT ten hours long.</p>
<p>only if they were 400 lbs &male
( And I think they would be 400lbs if they normall had 10 drinks in an evening)</p>
<p>if you can drink 10 drinks and not feel the effects then you have a tolerance and are at risk for becoming alcoholic if you aren't already</p>