It sounded like they will defer more, not reject more. Deferred kids will probably get a slight edge. ED exists for yield protection. Schools will still want to accept kids how are likely to choose them.
Many kids are coached to treat a deferral as a rejection and will move on to ED2 somewhere else, if early admittance is important to them.
That is basically the message at our school, however, itâs easier said than done.
Tuition is indeed cheaper at the contract colleges for New Yorkers.
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That I know - itâs clearly stated.
I was responding to your statement on this:
Cornell has 4 contract colleges that give preference to NY kids.
I took that to mean you were saying they have an admission advantage - and I was just noting I wasnât sure of that - but since you said it, of course Iâd consider it to be true. So itâs new info to me - which is good - always good to learn.
I just skimmed through the task force findings/recommendations and donât actually see a mention of a change to the number of ED admits: https://president.cornell.edu/_files/presidential-task-force-on-undergraduate-admissions/presidential-task-force-on-undergraduate-admissions-final-report.pdf
Itâs a long report so perhaps I missed itâŠ
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Thank you for sharing this. I just finish going through it and at first glance, agree with your conclusion. Nothing in there about curtailing number of admits from ED pool. Not even close. Thanks again for going straight to the source.
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I found this gem from the report fascinating and, unfortunately, predictable:
âCornell currently admits and enrolls students from a static set of âfeeder high schools.â For the purposes of this report, a âfeeder high schoolâ is defined as one from which 30 or more total applications for fall admission were received across 2020, 2021 and 2022. Just over half of all undergraduate applications and nearly 80% of matriculants came from one of 1,450 feeder high schools out of over 23,000 high schools in the United States.â
Good to know they recognize the problem and are trying to broaden the applicant pool.
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Lol would love to know the feeder school they are referring to.
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We learned that every school looks at deferrals differently. A school like MIT defers almost all of their ED applicants, with a small number actually getting rejected. For Cornell we were told that a deferral means that they think your application is a good fit, but there werenât enough spaces in the ED admissions process. Still doesnât mean you will get in, but that your stats are competitive. This was true for us. I have an ED deferred student and a waitlisted student, both with high stats, who were eventually admitted to Cornell.
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Perhaps we all have a better shot now with them implementing these changes for the current cycle.
I know a wait listed that got admitted to the industrial labor relations school.
Some of the NE prep schools hit those numbers. Stuy gets 40-50 a year.
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schools with 10 apps a yr to Cornell is like every single high -performing public high school in NY. Not just prep schools.
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This report is from September. Apparently there was a meeting on October 11 where a committee decided one way to reach the goals outlined in the report was to reduce ED acceptances.
As another poster said, I donât have skin in this game, but if the decision to reduce ED acceptances was made ahead of the ED deadline, it should have been announced then - not two weeks before decisions come out.
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I did read that as well but it seems surprising to take that step in the current cycle when it wasnât even a recommendation in the report. To me the 30 applications over 3 years also seems surprising because there is such a large range in the size of high schools. Many private schools have a graduating class of 60 or less but larger public schools can have 400+. That 10 students per year will be a very different percentage of the class depending on the size of the school.
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Itâs in the power point of the meeting:
For the class entering fall of 2024 and beyond: Applications
- All changes will be implemented in a legally compliant fashion
- Other changes to application: questions about fee waiver; parent education level; enrollment in federally recognized tribes
- Enroll a smaller proportion of the class via early decision (started for Fall â23)
- Continue the current test-optional experiment
Interesting because if this says âstarted for Fall '23â then it seems to say this past yearâs ED acceptance number was down and if these numbers from Ivy Coach are correct then this seems to be the case: 2 years ago they admitted 1,831 through ED and last year (class starting Fall of 2023) they admitted 1670. So they have already decreased the amount through ED and maybe are staying with this already lower number but not significantly decreasing from there.
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did cornell put them onto the waitlist or told them the decision by March?
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Letâs pray this is the decrease for this year as thatâs not too bad. Hopefully they will defer the students that donât make the cut and recruit more from non feeder schools. My son is in a prep school but honestly they only take 1 a year out of roughly 200 students. So I consider that incredibly low.