<p>"Yet, I think Cornell has garnered this bad reputation amongst elitists for doing something extraordinary: truly providing study for any person in any field"</p>
<p>WELL SAID , you hit the nail.</p>
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Without question I think Cornell is the weakest ivy. At least that's the general consensus at my school. A lot of kids will apply to every ivy...except for Cornell. It's not a bad school...just not up to par with the rest of them.
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that is really stupid and naive of the people in your school. Cornell may not be as selective as Harvard, but that's because it is bigger and has a far bigger range of fields for people to go into. The people who go to your schools are such prestige whores...applying to schools just because they're ivies and not to Cornell because...it has a bad reputation at your school? I don't think anybody has any proof that Cornell is that much weaker than HYP</p>
<p>"Yet, I think Cornell has garnered this bad reputation amongst elitists for doing something extraordinary: truly providing study for any person in any field"</p>
<p>niiiiice. Very well said. And very true.</p>
<p>someone clearly didn't get into cornell ... or has low self-esteem.</p>
<p>Cornell may not be the most selective school by the numbers, but what about this:</p>
<p>-i know dozens of hotelies who may not have perfect SAT scores and tons of AP classes, but they have the right personality, and an amazing ability to excel in the hospitality industry, and these abilities can't be determined from SAT scores and class rank.</p>
<p>-i know several students who came straight from farms and ranches to Cornell to study agricultural science, dairy science, animal science (related to farm animals) etc. They didn't attend fancy private high schools and have perfect scores, but clearly Cornell is the best school for them, and Cornell gets the most qualified students in that area.</p>
<p>And the whole "state school" thing really does not make Cornell any less of an ivy. It's a private institution, and students can take classes in any school. As a CALS student and biology major, I was able to focus my education more on science, yet still have hundreds of classes to choose from each semester. And I got to do this at a reduced tuition. There's no way I wouldve been able to afford HYP.</p>
<p>honestly i don't think harvard is worth it for your undergrad degree. like seriously people that get the best jobs/make the most money graduate from harvard law or business schools</p>
<p>cornell on the other hand has majors in their undergrad program that allow for better career growth after 4 years. ?</p>
<p>I think the people that say Cornell is the worst Ivy are those who actually don't know much about it. I'll admit that early on in high school, I used to be a little pretentious, and I always looked down upon Cornell when comparing it to HYP. At that time, Cornell was my last choice among the Ivies because I'd heard rumors that Cornell students were under immense pressure and that countless people threw themselves into the gorges. And there was the fact that it was less selective than the other Ivies, which I automatically associated with less prestige.</p>
<p>Obviously, I was wrong. When I visited Cornell in between my junior and senior years, I really liked it. I loved all the little quirky stories and unique features (the clocktower pumpkin, the Dairy Bar, Dragon Day, the Johnson Museum) and that it had lots of different people with different interests. And now, as a Cornell student, I love it because I fully appreciate all the opportunities that Cornell offers.</p>
<p>Really, many of the people who say that Cornell is the worst of the Ivies are elitists who may not have any idea of what kinds of programs Cornell offers. They're so focused on HYP that they forget that other schools have merit as well. And in the real world, most people hold Cornell in very high regard.</p>
<p>This discussion is kind of pointless. </p>
<p>At this level, you can't really say one is better than the other because they all have their pros and cons. Although Cornell has the highest acceptance rate of all the Ivys, it is stronger in other areas.</p>
<p>Different newspapers and ranking programs disagree on which universities are better than others. I saw one website that ranked University of California, Berkeley as number 4 in the world. ;) </p>
<p>If they can't decide, then what chance do we have.</p>
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At least that's the general consensus at my school. A lot of kids will apply to every ivy...except for Cornell. It's not a bad school...just not up to par with the rest of them.
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<p>Good, if I get into Cornell, I won't have to meet any of those arrogant douchebags.</p>
<p>Amen, applejack!</p>
<p>While we're on the subject, I'm a little confused by the obsession of admission rate as a measure of selectivity.</p>
<p>I think it's safe to say Cornell isn't the global household name, for example, Harvard is. This year, Cornell, while being significantly larger than Harvard, had 32,000 applicants to Harvard's 27,000. </p>
<p>Simple math would show that having that many more applicants simply landing on their doorstep for far fewer spots makes Harvard naturally more selective, without having anything to do with who those applicants are. </p>
<p>On the other hand, Cornell's applications are up 57% since 2004 and about 8% from last year. So, obviously Cornell has become "more selective" simply by receiving more applications as well. Likewise, it's down to 18% acceptance rate this year.</p>
<p>My girlfriend filled something unrelated to admission out on Cornell's website and has been inundated with transfer brochures and viewbooks ever since. This effort to simply get applications is obviously a concerted effort. </p>
<p>I'm not saying Cornell's as selective as Harvard. I just think it's a stupid game of machismo. I found the best school for me. I'm glad I did. I hope other people do the same.</p>
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I think it's safe to say Cornell isn't the global household name, for example, Harvard is. This year, Cornell, while being significantly larger than Harvard, had 32,000 applicants to Harvard's 27,000.
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<p>I can guarantee you that Cornell's "global" name outweighs Dartmouth and Brown's. I lived in China for 10 years up until elementary school. Even in Elementary School (China publicize this stuff more than US does), I was aware of Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Yale, and, yea, you guessed it, CORNELL. (Yes, I'm aware that MIT isn't an Ivy.) When I mentioned Dartmouth and Brown to my friends in China, (who are already applying to colleges and some of them are trying to come to the US) they were like... "What?! Where?! that's an Ivy? I thought it was just another normal school."</p>
<p>if you scholars would do research before getting upset, you would see that the OP is a HS senior and what kind of colleges he is applying to...that should certainly put all his comments about Cornell in perspective...</p>
<p>but Applejack, your comments broought tears to my tears ...I actually choke up a little when recruiting ...when kids ask me if they would fit in...</p>
<p>I can think of roughly 3000 schools that would love to be in the position of "worst ivy." it's entirely oxymoronic.</p>
<p>smoltz....cornell is a huge school with many many many bright people.</p>
<p>We're among the most "scientifically-minded" of the ivy league school- with world renown engineering departments and VAST amounts of funding to the natural sciences (especially life sciences).</p>
<p>We definitely don't have the old-school elitism of Yale or Harvard..... --- but academic reputation??!! WE PAWN IN ACADEMIC REPUTATION IN THE SCIENCES easily above Brown, Upenn, Dartmouth and Yale in the sciences... tied with Columbia..under Harvard and Princeton. :)</p>
<p>Look, let's face it, the dumbest kids in the ivy league are found at Cornell. I chose colleges based on the most competitive atmosphere, and I find Cornell to have it... but only because the classes themselves are challenging. Yes, there are smart students here, but you have to look for them. I'd say 1/4 kids here actually deserves to attend an ivy. The others are quite stupid. If you're decently intelligent, by which I mean top 10% of high school class, 2250 or up on the SATs, etc, you will absolutely be among the top students at Cornell. The same would not be true if you went to, say, Yale. I honestly found this lack of intellect disappointing, and I've applied to transfer to 4 schools. Because if you aren't making sick-ass connections, what the hell is the point of living in Ithaca?</p>
<p>lack of intellect? I can say that I do not share your sentiments one bit....</p>
<p>Well, muereapablo proves that there is at least one person there who lacks intellect. But once he transfers that should take care of the problem.</p>
<p>And if "sick-ass connections" (a highly intellectual term) is the reason you choose your college, you have a lot to learn.</p>
<p>I don't want to sink so low as to become mired myself in what is a very wishy washy "debate," but just to get the objective facts straight, 87% of Cornell's Class of 2011 came from the top 10% of their high school class; being a student in the top 10% of your HS class does not mean "you will absolutely be among the top students at Cornell."
I sincerely hope that students at Cornell (and students at any university, and people with any social distinction at all) would not rely on their status symbols to determine their sense of self-worth. I hope others will agree that an ambitious and talented student who milks the opportunities afforded to them by Podunk University is more admirable than someone squanders the opportunities presented by their participation in a great university, and who views their affiliation with such an institution as their greatest accomplishment in life.
Quit bemoaning your affiliation with peers you believe to be inferior, and get a life of your own. I think you'll find that Cornell has a great variety of intelligent students and endless opportunities, so once you stop obsessing about the average distinction Cornell affords you, perhaps you can escape the institutionalized caricature you seem to deplore so much. Otherwise, good luck transferring and leaping to a new caricature-- Cornell's spirit of opportunity and individualism will be healthier without you.</p>
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Well, muereapablo proves that there is at least one person there who lacks intellect. But once he transfers that should take care of the problem.
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<p>lol</p>
<p>Well, the great thing about Cornell is its size. You can choose to surround yourself with whatever kind of kids you want. The top 1000 kids at Cornell have higher SAT scores than the top 1000 kids at Dartmouth so you should have no problem finding 2200 SAT scorers if that's how you choose friends.</p>
<p>haha... I guess I have low standards for the selection of my friends....oh well</p>