<p>muerte, I would say it's a bit of a push for anyone to discern themselves as superior to their peers, especially cornell.</p>
<p>I don't want to attack you, but as a beginning undergrad I doubt you have studied in any advanced subjects or published any impressive academic papers. The most likely situation is that you're an econ major looking for social prestige and "sick ass connections"- which is absolutely fine by me- but don't use that as a basis for insulting us!</p>
<p>muerte. </p>
<p>I kinda know wat ur talking about. Not that i agree with you with ur point that Cornell students are not intelligent, but that any highly selective universities, contrast to our previous expectations, are prone to have some students that may be normal. I talked to my friend at MIT, and he said that he was surprised to find that his roomate never had to study at all back in hs and therefore was shocked to see people actually study at MIT. My Yale friend, who is a student athlete there, claims that at least 10% of people at Yale should not have gotten in and he wonderes "how did they get in here?"
So, don't just think that Cornell is a bad school based on some people you observed. This happens everywhere, not just Cornell</p>
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I talked to my friend at MIT, and he said that he was surprised to find that his roomate never had to study at all back in hs and therefore was shocked to see people actually study at MIT.
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haha. i never understood this. how can you NOT study for something like history, and not do HW when you have to write essays in english? the essays don't write themselves and you aren't born with knowing that stuff...so wouldn't it be weird to find the fact htat people ACTUALLY STUDY surprising.</p>
<p>I believe that people who claim that they did not study back in hs are people who went to really easy hs. sure, they had to do some work, but they were not exposed to anything near the rigor of top u.s. colleges. I personally went to a very rigorous hs that may be as hard (at least in terms of grading) as Cornell.</p>
<p>First, I'd like to say that I'm a English/Comp Lit major, not an engineer.</p>
<p>If I came off as a d-bag, so be it. My point is this:</p>
<p>I can get a fantastic education on my own reading a textbook. Much of what I know is a direct result of that. I pay 40k a year for two things:
1) a diploma (so that I can get a job)
2) interesting and talented students, who inspire me to strive</p>
<p>Obviously, I'll be collecting that diploma in 4 years. But honestly, and this is not meant as a jab at the teaching at Cornell or anywhere else, the kids are not inspiring me at all. The kids in my high school english class were much smarter than ANYONE in my 2 freshman writing seminars. That's shameful. And it certainly is an indication of articulation, intelligence, and talent. If I were an engineer, I would be perfectly happy. But I'm not, so I'm leaving.</p>
<p>If you are an engineer, architect, artist, or agronomist(?), please come to Cornell. You'll love it. </p>
<p>If you just want a liberal arts college experience with a scintillating group of peers, do not.</p>
<p>don't let the door hit you on your way out...</p>
<p>"But honestly, and this is not meant as a jab at the teaching at Cornell or anywhere else, the kids are not inspiring me at all."</p>
<p>It's because you're a prick and nobody likes to hang out with people like you. </p>
<p>You're just like a fellow student we had here on these boards, bball. His posts were rather similar to yours, though he focused more on SATs to base his college decision. For an update, he had similar SATs to you, but he had a higher GPA in both college and high school and was rejected by all the schools you applied to. He settled at Northwestern only to once again apply and be rejected by the other ivys. Maybe you two can be friends and rub each other in your awesomeness. </p>
<p>"Yes, there are smart students here, but you have to look for them. I'd say 1/4 kids here actually deserves to attend an ivy. The others are quite stupid. If you're decently intelligent, by which I mean top 10% of high school class, 2250 or up on the SATs, etc, you will absolutely be among the top students at Cornell."</p>
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<li>Smart students look out for people like you and avoid them. </li>
<li>It's been posted here before, but the official statistics of the university proves you wrong. </li>
<li>Maybe you'd have a marginal argument if you had some stellar stats or accomplishments to boot - but you fall comfortably within Cornell's range.</li>
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lmao...PWNED!! ;)</p>
<p>"If I came off as a d-bag, so be it."</p>
<p>This kind of attitude is what is really keeping u away from good people.</p>
<p>muerte: where are you applying for transfer?</p>
<p>foxdie: i think you need to be more specific than "the sciences." While I don't doubt that Cornell pwns Dartmouth, Penn, Brown, Yale (and the rest of the Ivies) in ENGINEERING, other Ivies have quite formidable strengths. Yale and Penn have some of the best med schools on earth, and great synergistic strengths in bioengineering, psychology, nanotech, etc.</p>
<p>muerte, you are the type of person that will miserable where ever you go. You are going to tell me that the twelfth school in nation has the dumbest kids. Even in the lowest ranked colleges you will find people of great intelligence, you look for them and make friends with them. It sounds to me like you have not been blessed in the ability to make friends because your an <beep>.</beep></p>
<p>sometimes people look at intelligence a different (very narrow) way</p>
<p>Muertea - I am surprised that as a English major you are taking two FWS - as a superior student you should have been able to place out of one, and only one with a decent grade on one of your English AP exams...</p>
<p>In Taiwan Cornell is probably the most well-known ivy university, since its former president is Cornell's distinguished alumni.</p>
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<p>That is pretty terrifying, but I'm also skeptical. Trying to make the argument that Cornell is the worst out the Ivies is already incredibly tough, yet you seem to be undaunted, even implying that Cornell University is full of average idiots who can't even match up to your high school. You're not talking about a community college or a state college or a regional university, you're talking about Cornell. I'm sorry, but I just find it hard to believe that the school that is ranked 12th on U.S. news and world report is apparently a cesspool of dumb***es who couldn't make it into another Ivy. </p>
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Yes, there are smart students here, but you have to look for them. I'd say 1/4 kids here actually deserves to attend an ivy. The others are quite stupid.
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<p>Cornell is is Ivy so I suppose the admissions office made a mistake accepting the other 3/4 of the students. </p>
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If you're decently intelligent, by which I mean top 10% of high school class, 2250 or up on the SATs, etc, you will absolutely be among the top students at Cornell.
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<p>Okay, now you're just full of ****</p>
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<p>Well said.</p>
<p>Memphismom - excellent point. I was originally going to be a bio major, the only APs my school offered were bio, history, and math, and I took and aced those.</p>
<p>Gomestar: You don't know what my SAT scores are, so I'll tell you:
740 M 770 CR 740 W
Those don't seem stellar? I was 6 questions away from a 2400.
I have a 3.8 - that's an A-/A.
I'm being published in a science quarterly with a Harvard professor.</p>
<p>It's fair to say that you don't know **** about me or what you're talking about. You've been full of big red spirit since you transferred to the Ag school or something, but that doesn't mean that you can change a world of righteous opinion about this school.</p>
<p>ALSO - whoever said that 87% of cornell's entering freshies were in the top 10% of their class - that's only of the 62% that were ranked. READ THE FINE PRINT.</p>
<p>Also, ButterBattle:
My high school english class had 20 kids, 12 of whom were accepted to MIT, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Columbia. "Be skeptical" no longer. Yeah, I went to a good high school.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, I forgot:
LET THE FLAME WAR BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Or end, really. This has been going on for a while.</p>
<p>Also, I'd like to preempt any stupidity by pointing out that good high school =/= one with lots of AP opportunities. Thank you.</p>
<p>Muerte -</p>
<p>If u really pride yourself for your so called "superiority" in intelligence compared to other Cornell students, how in the world did you not get into Harvard, Yale, MIT, and other "better" schools that u wanted to go to in the first place? From what I remember, you posted a bunch of questions a while ago, well before freshmen year started, asking people on this forum how you can transfer to Harvard or Yale or MIT from Cornell. This must mean that you did not choose Cornell in the first place bc u liked it, but rather it was probably because it was the best school u got into. After all, whether u like it or not, other students at Cornell got into the same school as u did, and you my friend, are not superior to others here simply because u have a good gpa. Many people here are smart but may not care about getting a good gpa unlike u just so that they can have a shot at transferring to Harvard. I will tell u what, I know plenty of people with gpa higher than yours - myself included (3.87). My bud from high school now has 3.92 gpa as CAS bio major. I also scored 34 ACT and 2300 on SAT. And, I am afraid to say, your chance to get admission to Harvard isn't that good with your stats, which are not "stellar" by any means.</p>