<p>Cornell isn't the worst Ivy, end of story.</p>
<p>Fine, whatever. I actually kind of like dewdrop87, he's a real trooper. Gomestar, I have nothing against you.</p>
<p>Join the dark side...</p>
<p>what's in the dark side?</p>
<p>Self hatred. It's a great motivator. Also, depending upon the degree of you suspension in said Dark Side, super powers and the use of ball lightning.</p>
<p>I'd rather hate others</p>
<p>dewdrop87 = female</p>
<p>These kind of threads can really depress some kids (like me) that dream of going to Cornell. So can we just drop this please? ;___;</p>
<p>Sorry dew. Good luck, turtlefever. Opinion-based argument yields only that; opinion. Don't be swayed one way or the other. Even Einstein was a human being.</p>
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These kind of threads can really depress some kids (like me) that dream of going to Cornell. So can we just drop this please? ;___;
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<p>Yeah, don't worry about it. A few pompous students (who go to Cornell, great job trying to insult your own college!) shouldn't change your perception of one of the best learning institutions in the world. </p>
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If anything, the indignation that both I and other "smart" people feel regarding those with less ability would be a source of camaraderie.
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<p>You assume that, but is that really true? Perhaps most people respect other humans? Perhaps they don't just shun and ridicule everybody they believe to be inferior? (in your case, everybody) That's exactly the problem. That shows exactly how arrogant you are... very, very, very arrogant.</p>
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From these sessions, I've concluded that many of them are absurdly lost by virtue of their questions and academic concerns, not merely their presence in office hours.
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<p>Okay, if you're so much better than them, then why do you visit the professors during office hours so often?</p>
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From a quick breakdown of my lab partners over 3 years, I'd say it's around 20-25%.
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<p>Gasp, so you do have irrefutable evidence! That is stone solid. How could I argue against that!?</p>
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many of the students here reek of overachieving public high schoolers
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I went to a public school
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<p>Wow, that is amazing. I am truly impressed by your BS.</p>
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And genius: your not you're.
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<p>I dont know what you were trying to write, but it probably would have made even less sense than this incomplete statement. </p>
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I'm merely stating that the vast majority (~75%) do not have the intellectual merits that I expect from an Ivy Leaguer.
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<p>Even more ironclad evidence!!!</p>
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I provided this information because meuertopablo was lambasted as not worthy of his admonishment of his fellow Cornellians due to his GPA
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<p> Wrong! Muerteapablo was not lambasted because of his GPA. He was lambasted because we disagreed with his position, especially when he was way inside Cornells academic range and is attending there in the first place because he got rejected from HYP. </p>
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And a side note, I didn't even apply to HYP out of high school.
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<p>Probably because you knew you didnt have a chance. </p>
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I even got rejected from Cornell initially.
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<p>See, you didnt have a chance. News flash! Most of the students who are attending Cornell got accepted the first time they applied! Oh man, those admissions officers are really dum! How dare they accept all those overachieving public high schoolers while rejecting such a brilliant student? </p>
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However, Cornell is assuredly less prestigious and the students worse than their peer institutions (other ivies besides Brown and Dartmouth and maybe Penn).
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<p>Define worse? Are you just emphasizing prestige twice, but youre calling it something else the second time? Do you have some more infallible statistics to back this up?</p>
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However, I'm not going to look past the fact that many students here are far below the expectations of an Ivy Leaguer
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<p>Your mean theyre far below YOUR expectations of an Ivy Leaguer! Who reaches your expectations? Pretty much no one. </p>
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The top 10 kids at my high school all went to HYPM and considered Cornell to be a safety school.
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<p>You are implying that all 10 of them got accepted to Cornell, but do you know if they did or not? Also, thats great that they all went to HYPM, but you didnt. You didnt get into Cornell. </p>
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I was discussing my graduate school plans with a professor my junior year and he remarked: "If you saw the work of most of the kids in my undergraduate class, you'd never want to fly in an airplane designed by them."
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<p>I wouldnt want to fly in an airplane designed by any undergraduate class. </p>
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Additionally, in office hours one time, a completely lost student had been getting help while I waited. She left and the professor openly mocked her regarding her confusion in the class.
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<p>Hey, that is an amazing professor! So positive, so supporting, such a good teacher. That must have been your favorite professor. You guys probably got along.</p>
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And for everyone assuming I'm a pretentious snob,you couldn't be more wrong.
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<p>Really? What if you didnt look down on a college that you got rejected from the first time you applied there? What if you didn't think 75% of Cornell students were idiots? What if you didnt judge other people without even knowing them? What if you didn't ridicule public high school students while you are a public high school student yourself? What if you didnt compare all colleges using only their prestige and their U.S. News and World Report Ranking? I could be drastically more incorrect.</p>
<p>Hey, I just noticed something.</p>
<p>I originally posted...
"Quoting Gomestar from an earlier post: Smart students look out for people like you and avoid them."
However, when dontknow was quoting me, he wrote, ""Smart people look out for people like me and avoid them."</p>
<p>hmmmmm, analyze that.</p>
<p>cornell may not be the "best" ivy but its certainly not the worst...what about relatively unremarkable ivys like Brown and Dartmouth....?</p>
<p>butterbattle: I'll reply to you, but basically everything you say is null. You're a ****ing high school student. You didn't attend Cornell for 3 year like I did. How the hell do you have intimate knowledge of the average Cornell student when you've never attended the university. </p>
<p>Furthermore, how many ****ing times do I have to state that I consider Cornell to be a great university before people believe me? Its great and I'm sure there are plenty of brilliant people here. But the fact remains that the top US students consider Cornell to be a safety school. The very top students (national math league winners, national merit scholars, state science fair winners, etc...) largely attend HYPM. Are there those kinds of students at Cornell? Of course. But do they constitute a large majority?: not even close. Also, Cornell's prestige, although quite high, is not at the same level as HYP. I'm sorry.</p>
<p>I'll respond to select parts of your post butterbattle:</p>
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Gasp, so you do have irrefutable evidence! That is stone solid. How could I argue against that!?
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Even more ironclad evidence!!!
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<p>Yes I admit my evidence is mostly anecdotal. But I think the experience of someone who has experience working closely with peers is usually a good source. If that's not good enough, then how about we compare average SAT scores, number of national merit finalists, acceptance rate, % in top 10% of high school class, number of students from elite schools, etc...? Cornell will come close in all these areas. They'll be in the same range, but not quite as good as the other ivies.</p>
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Your mean theyre far below YOUR expectations of an Ivy Leaguer! Who reaches your expectations? Pretty much no one.
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<p>No actually the term Ivy Leaguer is tantamount to the very best students in this country. This is the generalized image many in society have when considering who the average Ivy League student is. I expect an Ivy Leaguer to be someone who I consider incredibly intelligent, like the professors at Cornell. Many Cornellians do not measure up to this standard.</p>
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I provided this information because meuertopablo was lambasted as not worthy of his admonishment of his fellow Cornellians due to his GPA
Wrong! Muerteapablo was not lambasted because of his GPA. He was lambasted because we disagreed with his position, especially when he was way inside Cornells academic range and is attending there in the first place because he got rejected from HYP.
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<p>Can you read? My statement does not say he was criticized for his GPA. "As not worthy of his admonishment...due to his GPA". That's the exact sentiment you accuse me of not expressing, when in fact i said it exactly.</p>
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I wouldnt want to fly in an airplane designed by any undergraduate class.
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<p>Do you always take sarcastic comments so literally? He's referring to their diminished ability in engineering by providing a hypothetical example of an engineering process.</p>
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See, you didnt have a chance. News flash! Most of the students who are attending Cornell got accepted the first time they applied! Oh man, those admissions officers are really dum! How dare they accept all those overachieving public high schoolers while rejecting such a brilliant student?
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<p>I was a lazy bum in high school and surely didn't deserve to be accepted at a great university like Cornell. I think I proved myself worthy in my three years there. And as I stated earlier, many people are accepted not due to their academic ability.</p>
<p>yeah, i think brown is the worst ivy, if i had to pick one. most people don't even know that brown is a school, a random name for a college to have. also, more people know what cornell is than dartmouth, i think</p>
<p>yea...cornell is certainly more well known than Brown and Dartmouth lol</p>
<p>Its hard to compare Cornell to Dartmouth particularly. Dartmouth is more of a LAC, so like Amherst and Williams its main point is to focus on getting undergrad into the best grad schools and into the best jobs, which it does incredibly well. I'd say Dartmouth is the best Ivy (undergrad focus) in some areas.</p>
<p>haha, i met a barclays trader who graduated from dartmouth that said Cornell engineer program is much better than dartmouth. that says something right there.</p>
<p>dontno, it is rather unfortunate that some students, like you, aren't content with their own school and openly gushes out unvalid accusations towards their own school, which are to be read by prospective cornell students and thus would convey a completely wrong impression of this great university. People like you quite frankly drag down the image of the university that we all attend with pride and people like you degrade the quality of the institution's academic and social atmosphere for the students. I suggest that you stop posting in this thread unless you have a point to prove for the good of this online community. </p>
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Also, Cornell's prestige, although quite high, is not at the same level as HYP. I'm sorry.
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<p>No one was disputing that. I know that HYP are better, so does the rest of the world. </p>
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No actually the term Ivy Leaguer is tantamount to the very best students in this country. This is the generalized image many in society have when considering who the average Ivy League student is. I expect an Ivy Leaguer to be someone who I consider incredibly intelligent, like the professors at Cornell. Many Cornellians do not measure up to this standard.
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<p>You gotta be joking me. Like I pointed out before, Cornell ain't the only ivy with this trait. Most other undergrads from other ivies aren't even close to the intelligences of the ivy professors, either. I would be sincerely blown away if you somehow prove to me that all 7 other ivy schools other than Cornell have 'vast' majority of students who are as smart as their schools' profs. Even at HYP, I certainly am sure this ain't the case. Really, stop singling out Cornell in this respect and accusing it with your ridiculous nonsense.</p>
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Yes I admit my evidence is mostly anecdotal. But I think the experience of someone who has experience working closely with peers is usually a good source. If that's not good enough, then how about we compare average SAT scores, number of national merit finalists, acceptance rate, % in top 10% of high school class, number of students from elite schools, etc...? Cornell will come close in all these areas. They'll be in the same range, but not quite as good as the other ivies.
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<p>You keep saying how you love Cornell and all that bs. Here, you say that Cornell is "not quite as good as the other ivies." Really, i see that your agenda here is to prove that Cornell is the worst ivy, but you have failed to prove that with your pathetic arguments. Like I said earlier, prove that all the other undergrads from ivies except cornell are as smart as what you would expect, like their ability to match up to their profs' intelligence, and I would consider giving your posts some credibility and a bit of validity. Until then, all your arguments are pathetic and quite honestly a load of crap. STOP posting on this thread UNLESS you are qualified to come up with sufficient arguments.</p>
<p>My GPA will be above 4.0 by the end of this semester, by the way... I had a lemon of a philosophy class last sem. Anywho, my SAT scores put me way above most of the students here. 2250. Which, I readily admit, is none too impressive.
I think the truth of the matter is that we all came to college expecting a group of peers, people as talented as we are or more so. The people at the top of the class, naturally, do not find that situation, and are left with a sense of being cheated. Yet many people have the same experience at institutions such as HYP - and thus I believe that such opinions, while natural, should probably not be voiced on message boards frequented by students of the lower ranks who experience college as satisfactory.</p>
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My GPA will be above 4.0 by the end of this semester, by the way... I had a lemon of a philosophy class last sem. Anywho, my SAT scores put me way above most of the students here. 2250. Which, I readily admit, is none too impressive. I think the truth of the matter is that we all came to college expecting a group of peers, people as talented as we are or more so. The people at the top of the class, naturally, do not find that situation, and are left with a sense of being cheated. Yet many people have the same experience at institutions such as HYP - and thus I believe that such opinions, while natural, should probably not be voiced on message boards frequented by students of the lower ranks who experience college as satisfactory.
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<p>Muerte, have you been reading anything i posted in this thread?? Yes, I am aware that one's satisfaction of the college experience is subjective and may differ among people. Yet, it is quite crossing over the line when people like you make it sound like cornell is the only school or only ivy to have students that may not be of intelligence that you would like. Your arrogance is off the limit and your outrageous claim, in which you said that the opinions of the 'lower ranked' students shouldn't be voiced here, leads me to question if you are suffering from some type of a psychological illness, such as self-ego issues or some other personality disorder. </p>
<p>Not to mention, I do truly hope that transfering to Harvard or Yale works out for you. In the unlikely outcome of your rejections from these schools despite your awesomeness, then, I would have much fear for your well being since it is quite likely that you will be stuck here for next 3 years. By the way, I occasionally see some angry-looking people, always thinking and talking to themselves, who always sit in the cafeteria by themselves, never get out of their rooms, and never talk to others in socially acceptable ways, and I wonder if you belong to a social group of that sort. You are wasting lots of cash and your time here if you treat your school and classmates the way you do, and your lack of ability to behave within the boundary of social norm will be detrimental to your future sucesses in getting jobs, building networks, and forming any meaningful realtionships at all.</p>
<p>Cornell's engineering program IS better than Dartmouth's. Its also better than Harvard's, Yale's, Penn's, Columbia's, etc. Cornell is more like Michigan, while Dartmouth is like Amherst. Cornell is good at "skill" majors, like architecture, engineering, and computer science where you learn actual skills. If you want to work at boeing, an architecture firm, or as a coder Cornell is great. </p>
<p>But most want to go to grad school, professional school, or into high finance or consulting (which tend to pay much more than "skill" jobs in the long run). Its in the generalist majors (biology, econ, political science, history) for students looking to go to grad school, professional school, or go into top business where an undergrad focused school like Dartmouth excels right after HYP. </p>
<p>To illustrate: Goldman Sachs or McKinsey doesn't care how good GaTech's engineering is vs. Yale. They are looking at the overall undergrad, not graduate, school.</p>