<p>Despite your thoughts that Dartmouth is clearly a better school for finding a job after graduation, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Citigroup are still in the top-5 for companies hiring the most Cornell graduates.</p>
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Its in the generalist majors (biology, econ, political science, history) for students looking to go to grad school, professional school, or go into top business where an undergrad focused school like Dartmouth excels right after HYP.
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<p>I disagree. Getting into professional school or i-banking is largely an individual effort. Cornell's rates are going to be slightly lower than HYP's because, on the whole, Cornell has a weaker student body. You might come to me and say that Cornell students get into med school at a 78% clip while Princeton students get into med school at a 90% clip. I would say that's because Princeton students are stronger than Cornell students. Cornell, too, has dedicated teachers, strong premed advising, a hospital nearby, plenty of research going on, a premed committee to write committee letters, strong academic environment. In other words, everything is in place for you to succeed in premed.</p>
<p>Law school admissions is largely a numbers game. LSAT. That's what it boils down to. It doesn't matter what you major in. Outside of HYS law schools, it doesn't even matter what your EC's, recs, whatever look like. You can tell me that Dartmouth students get into law school at a better rate. But, can you tell me exactly what Dartmouth has that will prepare you better for the LSAT?</p>
<p>For Wall Street, you need to go to a target school. Dartmouth is a target school. Cornell is a target school. The rest is up to you.</p>
<p>Look up these placement rates. They follow selectivity. Schools with stronger student bodies have better placement rates. But, a Harvard-quality student that attends Cornell will be equally successful as if he had gone to Harvard. No medical school is going to say to you "You know, we would've accepted you if you had attended the #8 ranked college in the country instead of #12."</p>
<p>Patlees, honey, I have friends. You might be the one with the social disorder if you believe that I tell everyone my most personal feelings without the mask of anonymous message boards.</p>
<p>muerte, post here after your acceptances from Harvard, Yale, or MIT. After all that saying, it would be so pathetic if you ended up getting rejected. I heard that Harvard won't take any transfers for 2 yrs, so have fun man.</p>
<p>So cruel. If you want to know how it goes, I'll post. And yes, I wasn't pleased about Harvard's housing revelation.</p>
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How the hell do you have intimate knowledge of the average Cornell student when you've never attended the university.
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<p>How the hell do you have intimate knowledge of people at all when you scrunch into a little bubble of arrogance and believe everyone except yourself is an idiot?</p>
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Furthermore, how many ****ing times do I have to state that I consider Cornell to be a great university before people believe me?
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<p>How many ****ing times do you also have to state Cornell is worse than all the other Ivies before we believe you?</p>
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But the fact remains that the top US students consider Cornell to be a safety school.
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<p>Is this based on a survey or something?</p>
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But I think the experience of someone who has experience working closely with peers is usually a good source.
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<p>You evaluated the intelligence of tens of thousands of people by working with a few lab partners. That's a good source?</p>
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I expect an Ivy Leaguer to be someone who I consider incredibly intelligent, like the professors at Cornell. Many Cornellians do not measure up to this standard.
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<p>Okay, fine. Give me an example of a college where almost all of the students are as brilliant as the professors at Cornell.</p>
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My statement does not say he was criticized for his GPA. "As not worthy of his admonishment...due to his GPA".
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<p>Oops, lol. Yeah, I made a mistake there. You know I was mad at first, but then I decided that this is really pointless. So, now, I'm just doing this for fun.</p>
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Do you always take sarcastic comments so literally?
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<p>Do you always miss the point? What exactly did your original statement prove? That the students at Cornell can't put a picture puzzle together while all the undergraduates at HYP are smarter than the Engineers at Fortune 500 companies? How do you know that the students at HYP would have done better? Cornell's Engineering program is extraodinary. If I had to fly in an airplane designed by an undergraduate class, Cornell would not be a bad investment by any measure. </p>
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And as I stated earlier, many people are accepted not due to their academic ability.
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<p>Yes, because admissions officers also consider other standards. (Like personality?)</p>
<p>muerte, don't get me wrong. I sincerely hope that u transfer outta cornell, since u dislike it so much. but, you probably don't want to have the attitude that cornell and its students are 'lower' ranked students and bash cornell like this, unless you get accepted into HYM and are leaving cornell for good. (although, u can't get into H.) </p>
<p>Also, i see that u are applying to other ivies too, including penn. funny, u think that everything will be so much better and students there will be so much smarter than here at cornell. you are really out of reality and the problem lies not in the school itself, but problem lies within your inner motives and your own image of this school. Lots of people even at normal state schools manage to have good educational experiences and meet 'intelligent' peers.</p>
<p>"Despite your thoughts that Dartmouth is clearly a better school for finding a job after graduation, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Citigroup are still in the top-5 for companies hiring the most Cornell graduates."</p>
<p>What? That means absolutely nothing. Please re-read that and THINK about what that statistic actually means.
I'd EXPECT this to be true of any Ivy League. What other companies would there be? Would you expect McDonald's to be getting more Ivy graduates than any other company? This statistic is a testament to the strength of the companies, not the school. The fact that you thought this statistic was valuable proves how mediocre Cornellians are.</p>
<p>"This statistic is a testament to the strength of the companies, not the school. "</p>
<p>I disagree with you on this one. A strong company will not continue to heavily recruit at a school it believes to have "weak" students. So a company's willingness to recruit at Cornell obviously says something about the company's perception of the caliber of Cornell students.</p>
<p>sososo stupid. nevermind. i'm not wasting my time explaining it to you.</p>
<p>You know, your posts are really entertaining. Though they lack common sense and are filled with childish insults (seriously, I feel like I'm listening in on a conversation between my preschool-aged cousin and his friends), I nevertheless get a kick out of them.</p>
<p>Telletube, you're generalizing the Ivy League as amazing and smart people - "who else would recruit there" - while simultaneously arguing that Cornell sucks. You're saying companies only recruit at Cornell because it's an Ivy. Yeah, I'm sure companies settle for "mediocre" students just so they can say they recruit Ivy Leaguers. Give me a break.</p>
<p>For measurable outcomes like job placement, average starting salary, or graduate school admission, there is very little marginal impact that any selective school will have over any other selective school. Beyond a certain point, the intellect, work ethic, and character of a student is all that matters, be they a student at Princeton, Cornell, or a place like UCLA or University of Wisconsin-Madison. It's an insult to your own intelligence to suggest anything otherwise.</p>
<p>Sure, you are free to argue over the benefit of attending a school with marginally smarter students, lower faculty-to-student ratios, or a larger endowment until you turn blue. But I'm not certain how far that will get you, as those are only a measure of inputs, not outputs, and certainly not representative of the amount of value-added any given school's education will provide you. And that's the inherent problem with U.S. News and World Report rankings, which fails to account for a whole bunch of intangibles. </p>
<p>But here's what we do know: Most Cornell students go on to be fantastically successful, whether it be as investment bankers, academics, artists, or organic farmers. And most Cornell alums value their time on East Hill -- the life lessons learned, the educational accomplishments achieved, and the friendships forged -- immensely. The same could be said of many schools. And when it comes down to it, Cornell student's are pretty damn smart. There are more students at Cornell with over a 2200 SAT than there at Princeton or Dartmouth in total.</p>
<p>However, there are real differences that exist between the schools. Don't go to Harvard if you want to go to a sporting event with more than 500 spectators more than once a year. Don't go to Brown if you want to experience a rigorous undergraduate architecture or engineering. Don't go to Yale if you want to live off campus and more independently from the University.</p>
<p>One of the primary strengths of Cornell is that it can be so many different things to so many different types of people. It can be a liberal arts experience in the Dartmouth fashion to certain students. It can be a hardcore engineering experience in the MIT or CMU fashion to other students. It can be like a Big 10 School to still other students. No, it doesn't offer a big city experience like Columbia, but Ithaca is a more dynamic and urban area than most Cornell students experience because they are too busy on campus.</p>
<p>It's unfortunate that so many students get caught up in silly discussions like this. It's also lamentable that a certain subset of the Cornell campus gets caught up on the fact that they were rejected by other schools because they didn't have world-class extracurriculars. But to suggest that students at any of the Ivies or other selective schools are somehow disadvantaged relative to others is a pretty big waste of time.</p>
<p>A lot of you will have to make a pretty important decision in the coming weeks in regards to where you will spend the next four years of your life. Take a deep breath and look beyond the numbers to find a place that is truly the best fit for you.</p>
<p>"What? That means absolutely nothing. Please re-read that and THINK about what that statistic actually means.
I'd EXPECT this to be true of any Ivy League. What other companies would there be? Would you expect McDonald's to be getting more Ivy graduates than any other company? This statistic is a testament to the strength of the companies, not the school. The fact that you thought this statistic was valuable proves how mediocre Cornellians are."</p>
<p>wow, just wow. Let me dumb it down for you, it clearly went over your head. Slipper said "But most want to go to grad school, professional school, or into high finance or consulting (which tend to pay much more than "skill" jobs in the long run). Its in the generalist majors (biology, econ, political science, history) for students looking to go to grad school, professional school, or go into top business where an undergrad focused school like Dartmouth excels right after HYP." </p>
<p>I gave the stat that shows how despite his opinion, 3 major bulge bracket investment banks still are in in the group of companies that hire the most Cornellians - way up there to boot. If what he said was really true, then how come those 3 banks are all in the top-10? The numbers put his statement in doubt. Your statements border on comedic due to sheer stupidity. </p>
<p>Furthermore:
"This statistic is a testament to the strength of the companies, not the school."
So Cornell's rigor and academic prestige as one of the very best in the US has nothing to do with why these banks go there to recruit? What is it then? You say "I'd EXPECT this to be true of any Ivy League", but then go on to say it's not because of the strength of the school. Nice one, tool.</p>
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sososo stupid. nevermind. i'm not wasting my time explaining it to you.
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This statistic is a testament to the strength of the companies, not the school. The fact that you thought this statistic was valuable proves how mediocre Cornellians are.
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<p>TellETubE: </p>
<p>Even if it is only my third time reading any of your posts at all, I can sense that you are arguably one of the biggest pricks and a$$es that I have ever witnessed. It is a shame that a degrading and cheap quality human being like you are attending Yale and thus polluting Yale's prestige and their amazing student body. Please, get the f### out of Cornell's forum and never come back. If I and my friends saw you in real life, I am sure I won't let you pass for calling me and all my other classmates 'mediocre' and 'stupid' just bc we happen to attend Cornell. Really, get the f### out.</p>
<p>Thank you CayugaRed. </p>
<p>Is there enough closure now to end this thread? Maybe another haughty prick is going to post right after me.</p>
<p>You called?
Telletube was right to make his first remark; that statistic was meaningless.</p>
<p>But I agree that this thread can be closed.</p>
<p>^ Unsurprisingly, I disagree with you (First part. Although, since I'm still posting, maybe it's the second too?).</p>
<p>The statistic was not conclusive by itself. Obviously, it would have been stronger if it had stated that "Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Citigroup" hired more Cornell grads than Dartmouth grads instead of simply stating that they hire the most Cornell grads when compared with other companies. However, it is definitely not "meaningless." The fact that these investment banks hired a lot of Cornellians is a highlight of Cornell's strength. </p>
<p>Also, telletube's comment would have been taken in a much better light if he had not mixed it with idiotic remarks and more Cornell insults (you can understand that this is a sensitive subject by now :) ).</p>
<p>the stat wasn't meaningless, it's funny how the only people who think this are the ones going out on a limb to insult Cornell.</p>
<p>Perhaps a correlation of superior intelligence?</p>
<p>Just kidding.</p>