<p>Obama is the least qualified Presidential Candidate in modern times. The man does not like to make decisions. Which Obama is in Iraq, the Pro War Obama, or the Anti-War Obama. Come on Obamaloons, which one is it?</p>
<p>Please, ResurgamBell, explain in which way Obama is in favor of the Iraq War.</p>
<p>Please explain, in comparison to all the other presidential candidates since - say the Carter Administration - why he is the "least qualified" </p>
<p>He has been consistent from the beginning about his stance on Iraq.</p>
<p>Almost every attack against Obama is rooted in lies. It's astounding. </p>
<p>And no, I am not an "Obamaloon". I actually supported Hillary a little more.</p>
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<p>Be sure to take full advantage of Cornell and graduate with both heart and mind the better for your years there.</p>
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<p>obama has backed off his stance on immediate withdrawl...and is using bush rhetoric when talking about a global front against terrorism...</p>
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<p>"He’s a Marxist Socialist Liberal with a Race Baiting Wife who wants to invade Pakistan while sitting down to Turkish Coffee with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahamadinejad with connections to 60′ era Radicals, er I meanTerrorists….This guy could just make Jimmy Carter look like a competent President if elected...</p>
<p>It’s no wonder Jimmy Carter is having a love affair with this putz, after it’s all said and done, Obama will more then likely replace Jimmy Carter in the history books as “America’s Biggest Presidential Failure”. "</p>
<p>Source:
Could</a> Barack Hussein Obama Make Jimmy Carter Look Like Ronald Reagan? The Vast Global Zionist Conspiracy v 5.0</p>
<p>Oh my. You're quoting from a blog written by "roguejew" on "The Vast Global Zionist Conspiracy"?</p>
<p>Do you realize the depths of racism and bigotry at the heart of your citation? Websites like that are created by and for the uneducated and ignorant. I would expect more of an Ivy League student, and perhaps as you transiton from community college you will take advantage of this incredible educational opportunity and challenge yourself to take classes that challenge such knee-jerk trappings of bigotry.</p>
<p>A good rule of thumb is that if they include his middle name, Hussein, they're probably fearmongering bigots.</p>
<p>Obama never had a stance of immediate withdrawal. "We will be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" has been his mantra since the beginning. In terms of a major military conflict, 16 months is about as immediate a withdrawal as is realistic.</p>
<p>Nice try.</p>
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<p>hahahaha the Ivy League's are rooted in conspiracy and elitism...especially considering the skull and bones at yale and the other hidden societies...</p>
<p>you will often hear your lecture professors (the good ones) hint at revolutionary ideas and only the truly informed will pick up on them...</p>
<p>Also I know plenty of Jewish people who are against a Zionist movement...</p>
<p>it clearly exists...and while i dont agree with everything on that guy's blog, there are some interesting points brought to the table...</p>
<p>unlike you i dont dismiss anything as blatantly racist or uneducated...</p>
<p>this is america...even the most uneducated person has the right to vote...</p>
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<p>Hey! Not all liberals (and I'm pretty liberal) are afraid to breech the subject.</p>
<p>You're the only liberal I've ever met who isn't afraid Cayuga. I appreciated your remarks earlier in this thread.</p>
<p>dontno,
I haven't been on the thread for a while, so that is why I have not responded. No one ever said that only racial minorities can talk about or be right about issues of race. That is an insecurity you obviously have since you brought it up. </p>
<p>In my last post that you quoted from, I was simply saying that the racist past that America has still affects its people today. And until Americans are able to see Obama's nomination as a man running for President(like they did Kerry) and not just a Black man running for President, then that means it has gotten over it. This is not likely since we are all still affected by that past so greatly. Not that we are all racist or that all white people are racist, but that the fact is race is such a big deal in our society(not really old news). And that is why this election is so important.</p>
<p>And that reason why white people, in my opinion, do not have the right to criticize Black people is because:
1. They are not Black themselves
2. It is condescending because they are not the rulers of any race. Remember what happen with colonization and the Europeans trying to spread the Gospel. Yea, Africa is still recovering from that.
3. The actions of one Black person are not collective to the whole group.
4. The negative things that you see individual Black people are not specialized to the "race". In other words, you whites, Asians, Hispanics, any group has problems amongst their people.
5. White people cannot criticize the results of a racist and socioeconomic system(b/c poor whites still suffer greatly in this country) that they historically upheld.
6. Black leaders like Bill Cosby are trying to pick up their people because they want them to succeed, not to please white people and join "their side". </p>
<p>But it seems like your are already an irrational person anyway, quoting the Cornell American/Review. So this will hardly change your opinion. </p>
<p>A lot of white people aren't afraid to discuss issues of race, and they also do it in a civilized manner, like CayugaRed(I don't even know if you are white, just assuming, but whatevs). Take tips.</p>
<p>I'll ignore the fact that you ignored the hypocrisy of you considering Obama a "black man" running for President, but disallow anyone else to. I'll do so b/c you make yet another glaring contradiction.</p>
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<p>Then you say:</p>
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<p>So white people can talk about race, but just not about black people. Beautiful.</p>
<p>I also really enjoyed some of your reasons:</p>
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<h1>1: So I guess. Obama being a middle class, Harvard Law graduate shouldn't have worked as a community organizer for poor people, b/c he isn't poor himself. Or non-criminals can't talk about criminals because... Or Christians and atheists shouldn't have discussions either. That is one of the most absurd and exclusionary statements. It's so very clear now that you want everyone to stay with people that look and think just like them (shocking that you live in Ujjumma).</h1>
<h1>2: Yes very condescending to try and reflect on problems that a particular community has. I guess atheists shouldn't talk about the Christian Right and it's overwhelming influence regarding social issues.</h1>
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<p>Fuly agree. But generalizations do have merit especially with regard to the things I said about the black community (specifically the lower class and not middle class blacks). Statistics show us pathological behavior. In fact, someone in this thread gave some discouraging ones about blacks, but I don't remember who.</p>
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<p>I agree that the racist past of this country is still being felt by black America. But don't play the victim card so much. A lot of black America's problems are their own fault. I also don't see Chinese people in the same economic predicament and complaining about racism so much. Yet, many of them were brought here to work as basically slaves in the 1850's. Jews, victims of systemic discrimination and quotas at the Ivy colleges before the 50's, now run and dominate the Ivies' populations (going to Cornell, you should know this). So many social programs have been in place since the 60's and so many trillions of dollars have been poured into black communities, so it's not the "racist" white man's fault ANYMORE.</p>
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<p>I don't recall one ounce of vitriolic discourse on my part. Maybe some sarcasm, but nothing attacking. Please look over my previous posts (and I invite others to as well) and quote me saying such outlandish things that haven't been said by Bill Cosby and the like. </p>
<p>It must be new for you to have an honest discussion about race with someone who doesn't allow for easy answers.</p>
<p>OK dontno, you're the resident race expert, lol. One thing for certain is I (and I'm sure most other Blacks) can accept an opinion about the state of Black affairs coming from a Black man much easier than hearing it come from any other race. It has everything to do with whether you've shared Black experience or not dontno, simple as that, and you strike me as being nothing more than a loud-mouth conservative, a la Bill O'Reilly. Is anyone on this thread stating their opinions on white people, or is that a topic for another thread? How many Blacks get to have their views on white's held in high esteem and taken seriously, particularly when that opinion may be very unflattering? </p>
<p>A few more questions for you, do you have a Ph.D in African-American studies? How about a Masters? Bachelor's? OK, you've got an associate's right? Honestly, how many Black people do you really know well? The point is, while you're entitled to your opinion, you shouldn't speak recklessly about an entire group of people. Obama being Black is significant because it is the first time in history a Black man has been in his position. Without you coming right out and saying it, you seem to have a problem with that.</p>
<p>^^Amen to that.</p>
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<p>it clearly exists...and while i dont agree with everything on that guy's blog, there are some interesting points brought to the table...</p>
<p>unlike you i dont dismiss anything as blatantly racist or uneducated...</p>
<p>this is america...even the most uneducated person has the right to vote...
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<p>Yes, and the 20% of Americans who believe the sun revolves around the earth have a right to vote as well. That doesn't mean they're right. </p>
<p>I did not dismiss that link as blatantly racist or uneducated without reading it. It was only after I read through the website that I realized the depth of bigotry. That is what we call "discernment". </p>
<p>I hope you take advantage of the broad philosophical and ethical course offerings at Cornell. Good luck.</p>
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<p>More name calling. You quote not one word of my post specifically aimed at you (#200), yet engage in ad hominem attacks once more. I'd appreciate a discourse rather than childish blabber. Furthermore, you basically ignored my entire post in your "response."</p>
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<p>Whites are represented heavily in many social and economic circles. In this country, blacks tend to congregate in the same (especially) economic class (blacks median income is 20,000 less than whites) and social circles (over 90% vote Democrat, hip-hop being such a defining element of black culture, and black churches where even Oprah Winfrey and upper class Harvard grads like Obama attend). When I discuss black America, I nominally mean lower class blacks, not middle class blacks that attend Ivy League colleges. </p>
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<p>I agree, I'm not doing it recklessly. I'm doing it based on statistics, media, and my own personal experiences.</p>
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<p>This is absurd. Now we need degrees to give our opinion. I won't even respond to such tripe. But I will say I do have significant experience with blacks. I attended public schools with about 50% blacks and growing up I mainly hung out with 3 kids from my neighborhood, all of them being black. </p>
<p>I also don't need an advanced degree to note the misogyny, violence, and flat out stupidity of almost all rap music (besides Common, Kanye, and a few others). I don't need a degree to note how absentee fathers can affect lives or to note how almost every single black kid who went to my schools degraded high scoring black students as acting "white" or noting how so many young black men want to make it in rap or basketball but not college. </p>
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<p>Agreed. It's a significant moment and a good turning point for this country. However, I would say he's the first **non-white **presidential nominee. Once again, you ignore my previous post (#200) directed at you.</p>
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<p>More insinuations that I'm a racist. I guess Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell, and even your lord and savior Barack Obama (AFP:</a> Obama tells black fathers to act like men and Barack</a> Obama Addresses Hip Hop; Meets With Jay-Z And Kanye West | Hip Hop News > HipHopDX.com) are as well.</p>
<p>I also challenge to you actually quote what I say that makes me sound like "a conservative loud mouth."</p>
<p>I really don't want to start a back and forth. I'm almost done with this thread. Will probably only respond once or twice more. </p>
<p>I'd generally like to engage in a discourse, but you refuse to acknowledge anything I said. Rather, you dismiss statistics (many of which I heard on CNN's "Black in America" series which had a panel of all blacks) and close your ears saying "na na na na, I can't hear you!". </p>
<p>For anyone else, liberal or conservative, agree or not, I'm curious for a response (mostly in the last two pages). </p>
<p>For s.dot: How about you respond solely to this? I'm a racist, but what about Barack Obama? He says the exact same things, is he a racist? (see my post for links).</p>
<p>Formulating an opinion on blacks through what you hear from the media is terrible. If you were watching CNN's Black in America, you would see that the media creates a very negative image of blacks. I forget the statistic, but I think it was upwards of 50% of all blacks mentioned in the news were mentioned in crime-related stories (it was mentioned in the part with Spike Lee).</p>
<p>Forming an opinion on statistics, provided that you interpret them correctly, is sensible.</p>
<p>Wow, I think he gave himself away by his stating he got his facts from CNN's "Black in America" special. What's even worse is that he's using those stats to support how he feels about Blacks, brilliant. </p>
<p>Whether you get over your disdain for Barack or not dontno, we're moving towards a different cycle in America. Things have come to a head; much of America's actions are catching up to her and that is why Barack is in this position in the first place, to do "damage control." We deserve better than to have white supremacists running America dontno. You can either go with the flow and get over yourself, or you can remain part of the bitter faction in America that will go to any length to discredit, not only Barack, but any Black who stands for change (for the better) and can have the world hanging on his every word. Good luck finding posters who wish to engage in "discourse" with you.</p>
<p>I'm confused at how stating statistics is racist. I think people have been brainwashed to be TOO political correct.</p>
<p>I remember a friend of mine once told me I was racist because my family lived in an all-white prep town. When she asked why, I said because we wanted to live in a low-crime area. She jumped to the conclusion that we chose an all-white area because we assume black areas were full of crime.</p>
<p>First - She's right. Black areas ARE full of crime. Look at the top 10 most dangerous cities and percentage of black people. Do the same for the top 10 safest. Gary, Indiana was number one most dangerous for a while...I think it's 80% black. </p>
<p>But...is that racist? Is it racist to be cautious? It makes no sense. It's one thing to burn crosses in the yard of a black person, it's another to simply choose not to live in downtown Philadelphia or Gary, Indiana. </p>
<p>Also...I'm really sick of anyone who doesn't support Obama being branded racist. I hate the man - but it isn't because of his race. Trust me..I wish I could support Obama. I hate republicans, and it'd be awsome to break the "old white man" mold for US presidents. But Obama's an idiot, plain and simple.</p>