<p>BigRed didn't clear up anything with a bunch of child-like, low-life profanity. </p>
<p>The main problem I have with Obama supporters on this board is that a few select posters injustly accuse people of being racist in every other post. Now this is not just about the argument about Obama's middle name. Earlier in the thread, one poster accused another for being racist just because he interpreted statistics portraying blacks in a negative light, and did so once again when a poster said something regarding blacks and the media. This is what I'm specifically fed up of.</p>
<p>Thank you BrownMan. i believe you're referring to my arguments with TrackBabi and s.dot. That's a big problem with blacks when discussing race, the culture of fear that many of them create. I can't even quote statistics given on a CNN show fully in support of blacks without being called a racist! I can't quote misogynistic and violent lyrics from mainstream rap music (ever heard of Sister Souljah) or their savior Obama's similar condemnation of it without being called a bigot! I can't relay my own experiences in public school where most of the black students would insult the few high achieving ones with "Oreo" or "sellout" (which I'm sure anyone who attended a public school with a heavy black population has heard). </p>
<p>I fully agree that some people that give these arguments are racist and not too fond of blacks. But I have assured you on numerous occasions that I am not. I believe my arguments have been rooted in intellectualism, not hatred. But whatever, just engage in a name calling and fear mongering to prove your point and silence critics.</p>
<p>Don't be fooled by liberal media and their coverage of Islam as a peaceful, pro-West ideology. Who we are directly conflicts with what Islam is about: oppression, violence, and fundamentalism.</p>
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<p>I concur, wholeheartedly. How the media portrays Islam is seriously scewed in their attempts to stay politically correct in regards to the Muslim population in U.S. It in actuality is a very violent, militant religion. (beheading women adulterers, killing non-muslims for expressing piety, being anti-West, etc etc)</p>
<p>OMGzzz...I cannot stand the bigotry and racism(and yes it is called just so Brown-man) on this thread. No wonder there is so much hatred towards the group on campus. </p>
<p>Give me some examples that can justify Islam being a violent religion. When you do I bet I can find the 10x the same amount about Christianity, Hinduism, and Judaism(yes there are a lot of terrorists that are Jewish).</p>
<p>All the world religions have about the same core values and misogyny, terrorism, or whatever evil thing you can think of, are not one of them. Individuals are evil, not the groups they represent. </p>
<p>But I don't know why I try with you all. You're already thinking in such a way at your age and it is not likely that you will change now.</p>
<p>How can you all generalize the actions of a few extremist lunatics and extrapolate that Islam is a hateful religion? I don't get this. You're Cornell students... you should be smarter than this.</p>
<p>It's akin to saying because a few Christians deny all evidence of evolution, that must mean all Christians are backwards and uneducated. This is totally false, and so are your statements!! You're generalizing the actions of a select few people to an entire group of people.</p>
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<p>Believe me, I am pretty knowledgeable with many religions of the world. It may sound harsh, but the core leadership and doctrine of the religion of Islam is simply a violent and militant one at that. When the terrorists brought down the American buildings on 9/11, the civilians, Muslim preachers, and many 'generic' Islam followers in Soudi, Iraq, Iran all rejoiced. In other words, these groups who are anti-West and anti-Christianism are seen as 'holy' and 'pious' within their social and religious realms.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are many muslims who are described as 'non-practicing muslims' or just those who aren't as religious. These groups of people, I agree, isn't violent or militant. But, what the core Islam preaches in its fundamentals, when it comes down to it, is violence and oppression.</p>
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<p>Islam preaches to its core followers to 'search and destroy' non-muslims. Neither Chstianity nor Judaism preches this kind of extreme, militant path as a way of regular preaching. I am not talking about the people associated with such religions, because there well may be Chistian and Jewish terrorists or whatever. I am talking about the fundamental, core doctrine of the religion, as in what the religion actually encourages its followers to accomplish.</p>
<p>Fox News did a special about honor killings in the United States yesterday. It was rather depressing to see that when a daughter brings dishonor to the family, the male head, (the father) is willing to kill the daughter, and the mother helps alongside as well.</p>
<p>Yes, it is a few incidents out of many Muslim families in the United States. I know that. It is just that honor killings do happen.</p>
<p>Now, I am not a fan of Fox News, mind you. I just happened to come across that yesterday.</p>
<p>I don't know why some people persistently believe that Obama has a strong tie to Islam. Obama has stressed over and over throughout his campaign that he is a Christian. Heck, we all know that there was a controversy surrounding his old church's pastor for offensive remarks towards the white people.</p>
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<p>People are stupid, and uneducated. </p>
<p>On a side note, I don't know why some people persistently believe that Islam has a strong tie to violence because of the actions of a few select lunatics.</p>
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<p>Really? Most of the coverage of Islam I see on the news tells me otherwise. If anything the media propagates anti-Muslim sentiment through the American people.</p>
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<p>You do know that the doctrine of Koran changes all the time, right? It is not like a Bible where the doctrine has been fixated from the past. The doctrine of Koran is constantly changed by the core leaders in Islam. Also, I wouldn't count on several pages of Wikipedia page to come to conclusions, and attack others of their specualations. I have attended numerous religious seminars and read numerous books on the religions of the world, simply because the topic of religion happens to be my interest.</p>
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<p>Brownman, I would suggest you avoid calling me stupid, when you dont know jack about me. It is fine you hold on to the belief that Islam is a peaceful religion, but, unfortunately, based on the studies I did and seminars I attended, I happened to think otherwise. Just because we have different opinons and conclusions on this matter, you are not qualified to call me stupid by any means. And, for the record, these lunatics that you refer to are viewed as extremists or terrorists by Americans, but by Muslims, they are viewed as heroes and saints.</p>
<p>I did not call you stupid. I was referring to the comment that you made about why some people continue to believe Obama has a strong tie to Islam- I referred to these people as stupid and uneducated. </p>
<p>I am sorry if I offended you in any way and I edited my post to clear up any misunderstandings- that remark was not directed towards you. You are definitely entitled to your own opinion.</p>
<p>You have to be kidding me? How are Cornellians saying Islam is based in violence? Have you no history book? Christians practically took over the world and pillaged and converted everything in their path and I see no mention of this. There are violent and extremist sects of every religion. There are more than a billion Muslims in the world...do you actually think the majority of them are violent? </p>
<p>Your assumption is absolutely ridiculous and comes from the media portraying the attackers as being fundamentally different from u...but different in what way you say? They are Muslim. Ohhh...so Islam must make them evil right? </p>
<p>I am just so baffled by this discussion that I am at a loss of words. Does such bigotry really exist at such a great school? I'm just shocked...</p>
<p>How about you start thinking about the countries these people are coming from or what they are learning. Certain people decide to implant ideas of a violent struggle into poor or "lost" people and get them to do things for a key into "heaven". It's absolutely ridiculous that u can blame an entire religion for being violent because certain people misconstrue it's preachings in order to achieve the type of chaos that keeps them in power. Where are all the Muslim-American terrorists who are part of this evil religion? Every religion has outliers...especially one that has over a billion followers and one that is rooted into various violent and struggling countries.</p>
<p>I got a good/funny example lol. It's like when Bush (a religious man who made sure that his religion was well known) said that God told him in a dream to invade Iraq (I'm pretty sure that's what he said happened...wow it was years ago that I read about it in the news lol). Now do you blame Bush, the idiot, or the religion he used as a veil for his power grab? Hopefully this isn't a hard one...</p>