Cornellians for Obama

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<p>First of all let me point out that if there was cheating I'm sure it wasn't by him personally. Second, if u like a person u must also like them for their policies...much of which Obama believes in or is adopting. U r obviously out for revenge if ur mad that the man who got the nomination is taking pointers from the person u support...now he's going to do more of her policies...and ur mad at that? And btw I don't hate the people, I hate that they are letting their emotions run wild and creating wild fantasies about how McCain is somehow more similar to Clinton than Obama is...which is just ridiculous. And I also like Clinton...but it isn't a black and white issue...u can like more than one person. It shouldn't have to be...but at least let it be the lesser of two evils to u. McCain is NOTHING like Clinton...it's ridiculous that so many Clinton supporters would like him in the white house over Obama. U might not necessarily see urself as one of these people...but some people just HATE obama b/c of that horrible race that happened. The party shuld be united...not hating eachother. Clinton ran the race and lost...it's over. Now it's either Obama or McCain. One or the other. U can't just close ur eyes and pretend this isn't happening. </p>

<p>ps sry if this sounds too strong minded to u...i get passionate about politics especially when it's over the internet and there are no repercussions lol</p>

<p>alsooo Obama is without a doubt African-American...I mean he's lived in BOTH continents! He is also black. Race is both mind and body and he knows that he's not just another white person and you see that when you look at him. Race is how you are percieved by others and how you percieve yourself...if you saw him on the street would you say he's not Black? He has had to struggle with the difficulties of being a black in America and u minimize this struggle by saying he's not really "black" or as the recent conservative host said, that he's an "oreo"...which is derogatory to Obama and an entire race.</p>

<p>"He is arrogant, inexperienced, and won mostly on white guilt and race baiting."</p>

<p>First of all the arrogant thing is propaganda...he is such a nice guy. Read his books and research who he really is. At worst you could call him confident...and SHOULD be confident...he's achieved so much and came from so little. He knows both sides of the railroad tracks and deserves to be where he is. Also experience does not directly correlate with success as a president. James Buchanan has the most pre-presidential experience...over 30 years...he's ranked the 2nd worst president of all time. Garfield has 23 yrs of experience (5th most) and is ranked 33rd best pres (out of 42). Now, on the other end of the spectrum...Teddy Roosevelt had 4.5 years of experience (4th to least amount) and is ranked 5th best pres. Wilson had 2 years of experience...6th best pres. Age a problem? Teddy was 42. JFK 43. And u say white guilt? Now that's a joke. People may say they will vote from him but when they are in that booth all alone and they are racist...u bet they won't vote for the black man. And don't even pretend that Obama will somehow get more votes b/c he is black than he won't get b/c he is black...now that's just not right.</p>

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<p>U have to be bsing or joking are u serious?
Tell me you are not a Cornell student...i mean r u for real? People voting twice? If that could happen...oh if that could happen many things could happen and would have happened.</p>

<p>No, you have to be joking. Serious, dude?</p>

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<p>I'm certain there is a very interesting conversation happening here, but I can't get past the 'sum1's and 'u r's.</p>

<p>Good riddance. Learn to converse like adults.</p>

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<p>Altho I'm not sure how caucuses work in the ID department I do know u have to be exaggerating...whether u know it or not. Also Obama was not doing the tango alone...</p>

<p>ps trackbabi read my post again...i edited it and u mighta missed a lot lol</p>

<p>pps cayuga it's called internet chat...get off ur tower</p>

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<p>It's called internet language. Get over it, if u want a real "educated discussion" with like real words and stuff u should prob watch a real dabate or read the paper. There's no point telling ppl to stop using internet lingo on the internet since u are on the internet, duh!</p>

<p>Oh and I read it. Totally agree! Co-signing and everything. ;)</p>

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<p>CayugaRed,</p>

<p>I'm sure you mean well, but making comments like that in every board in which improper grammar is used is a little aggravating. Mostly, you're met with the "I know how to write properly, I just couldn't care less since this is a message board" attitude. I'm not sure why you persist since a) you're not going to change how anyone chooses to write and b) your tone makes you come off as a pretty pompous and rude person.</p>

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<p>^warning...
grammar police....
it is "couldn't care less"</p>

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<p>lmfao at cayuga. i want to give this guy an f5. </p>

<p>lol@cheatingz0r too. </p>

<p>how do u win on white guilt when its private voting? deedeedee!</p>

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<p>Frankly, I was genuinely interested in what BigRed!! had to say, yet I was forced to stop reading due to my inability to parse the language.</p>

<p>I only tend to make comments on posts where long, detailed arguments are being made and it may help the reader to more fully comprehend one's stance. The other educated blogs and discussion boards I frequent would never exhibit such utter lack of common spelling and grammar.</p>

<p>It's a bit frustrating, if you ask me. You kids are getting a Cornell education, start acting like it.</p>

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<p>Well I understand what you are saying b/c it is hard to read long posts when there is so much internet lingo that you need to translate. But I just suck it up and deal</p>

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<p>I've argued over this so many times - and Obamabots are too deluded to believe it, so I'm not even going to try.</p>

<p>I worked with the Clinton Campaign. I saw the cheating first hand. You say it's impossible to vote twice? You're right - in primaries. That's why he lost nearly every primary state. In caucuses - it's all up to the precinct captain. Half the time they don't ask for ID. It's not as orderly or "cheat-proof" as primaries. </p>

<p>I can't believe trackbabi is that close minded.</p>

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alsooo Obama is without a doubt African-American...**I mean he's lived in BOTH continents! **He is also black. Race is both mind and body and he knows that he's not just another white person and you see that when you look at him.

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<p>Do you actually know anything about the man? He lived in Indonesia and Hawaii growing up! Those aren't in Africa. Also, when I think of black people, I think of people who are descended from American slaves. People descended from Africans (let's say a generation or two) are African (they even have obviously darker skin since that seems so important to you). If you disagree, it still doesn't matter. Obama has equal parts African and WHITE heritage. It's completely insulting to Obama's white family (including his grandparents who raised him while his father was gone his ENTIRE childhood) to call him black. I consider Obama neither black nor white, he's biracial, both black and white.</p>

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<p>Agreed with Cayuga... if you want your argument read, at least make it readable</p>

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<p>O oops ur right I didn't even see that I said "lived"...i was typing really quickly as u can see and was probably mixing up thoughts (ya sry it was really poorly written but I just had to say everything). Ya I know it was Indonesia n now I feel embarrassed cuz I can't go back and correct it haha. Wat's funny is I just saw a report on TV that said more than 30% of people think he was at a Muslim school in Indonesia...which reminds me of how I love the reports about how he's Muslim and how he swore on the Koran. Which is all insulting to Muslims in the first place because it's clearly saying that being Muslim is bad and wrong which is absolutely ridiculous. It makes me angry because he has made comments about how he thinks that it is insulting to insinuate that being Muslim is wrong, but to tell u the truth I'm sure he knows that if he even went to a Muslim event and all the people around him were wearing headscarves he would lose a significant part of the American vote. Things like that just make me ashamed because I can't even imagine how insulted Muslims must feel whenever the topic comes up about how he might be Muslim...and the news usually doesn't even talk about how it's wrong to think that if he were Muslim it would be negative. This nation was founded on such extreme religious values it's just shocking.</p>

<p>I have also heard of the reports of the caucus meyhem and agree it was wrong...but lets be honest I'm sure he didn't win the Democratic primaries just because of that.</p>

<p>And even saying "Obamabots" is just plain insulting. How is it that there are so many statistics about how the most highly educated Americans are supporting Obama by such large percentages? By saying Obamabots ur saying that people who support Obama can't think for themselves and reason which is just absolutely ridiculous. We aren't as ignorant as u insinuate but perhaps u are if u even make such a suggestion.</p>

<p>That's fine that he's bi-racial, but the fact is that other people widely catagorized him as a black youth throughout his life so he had to deal with those repercussions and therefore build his own self-image in society's structure of race (ever heard of the one-drop rule? Think that notion is somehow completely eliminated? If it worked for one drop how do u think it couldn't still work for someone who has half black ancestry?). In a perfect world everyone, including him, would see him as biracial and be content. But the truth is that America is only on the edge of understanding the concept of someone being biracial and it is hard for that person not to ultimately identify with one race or another based on society's preconceived notions that are generated by how that person looks. If u want to see him as biracial then that is good for u. But to say that that is "insulting" to Obama's white roots that he would be identified as black does not sound like the same open-minded conclusion that formed the basis of ur argument about why he should be classified as bi-racial. I'm not saying ur at all racist, rather I'm just saying that u have to understand what this man has gone thru and perhaps open ur eyes to the real world.</p>

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he's achieved so much and came from so little. He knows both sides of the railroad tracks and deserves to be where he is.

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<p>I love when Obama supporters make statements like this. They attribute completely false experiences and values to him just because they admire the personality cult that he's created. I'm shocked people aren't making statues of him and calling him Saint Obama. </p>

<p>Your contention that Obama "came from so little" is laughable and shows your complete ignorance regarding the candidate you so vigorously support (hmm, I wonder if your support has anything to do with his race??). For the record, Obama's mother was basically a professional graduate student with ample education, a value that she imbued her son with. Obama's stepfather held a management position at an Oil company. Obama's father went to Harvard for a masters degree. Obama had a very middle class upbringing and for half his education, attended the wealthiest (cost about 14,000 per year) and most prestigious prep school in Hawaii. Really sounds like he knows "both sides of the railroad tracks." [note sarcasm]</p>

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<p>lol wow I'm being nailed...but it actually makes me happy b/c it means that people know a lot...I'm actually used to people at home knowing very little. I feel like I'm losing my credibility so I should stop using hyberbole and exaggeration so much haha...I just get heated n typppppe. Okay ur right that I'm thinking more of Michelle, but he did come from a broken family and did things such as go to Harvard when the road was still being paved (not a pioneer but definitely a first-settler). He then had to go back and prove that he wasn't just some smug intellectual type and show that he knew what it meant to be black (which became a large issue when running in a largely black population) but just from a different angle. So essentially in my mind he is both making strides for blacks within traditionally white places + positions while at the same time redefining race for the better and shattering stereotypes from all directions.</p>

<p>I also really like the fact that he traveled and did live in such vastly different places. I feel it really gives him perspective. I also think that he is a great representative for America. Alert: some generalizations ahead - Europeans LOVE him (you should see the polls there...holy crap!) Africans gain hope through him, the Middle East thinks he'll be more level headed, etc... An international poll of 24 countries showed 22 voting for him (the other 2 having been US [this was right after the messy primary] and I think Syria). I agree with his policies but I also think that America gaining a higher position in the world's eyes is essential right now...we are losing so much ground it's unbelievable.</p>

<p>ps I'm exhausted cuz I got up really early for an internship so don't hate too hard lol</p>

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<p>obamabots: why is hussein obama a member of the CFR?</p>

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<p>So I am not Black because my parents are Nigerian? Wow...now I'm experiencing an identity crisis, seriously.
I am sorry but that has to be the worst logic ever. There are Black people in Africa, Europe, Latin America, South America(Brazil hosts the second largest Black population outside of the continent of Africa), Asia, basically everywhere in the world.
Being of this socially-perceived "race", Black, is not regionally or nationally based. It is all based on skin color and other physical attributes, a shared history, a shared continental ancestry.</p>

<p>If you don't already go to Cornell, when you do go or go anywhere else you will meet Black people for the first time.</p>

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<p>K I'm gonna sleep now but thought that commenting on this would make me feel better about the argument b/c it's such a ridiculous thing to say - </p>

<p>"hussein obama"</p>

<p>U shuld feel proud of urself. There are so many insinuations that are generated from combining those two words...and I'm sure u know this...let's see: it's racist, it's fear mongering, it's ignorant, it's implying Obama is Muslim, it's implying that being Muslim is negative, it's saying Obama is somehow a terrorist...it's just plain stupid and takes a card from the conservative extremists. U just made urself look like an idiot and lost credibility. Congrats Resurg</p>

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<p>Soccer Guy</p>

<p>I'd like you to point to one piece of evidence that indicates that Hilary was running the white house in the 90s. That seemed to be the catch of her claims to this executive experience, there isn't any proof publicly available, and if she has proof, she isn't willing to make it public. You are the one who is deluding yourself into trying to make this about the person. Most of Hilary's supporters were hard line democrats, very very unlikely to jump ship. Most of the people who vote in primaries/caucuses are the extremes of their political party. </p>

<p>So what if "Obama stole" a part of her health care plan. This is the catch-22 of the media and public burning politicians at the stake for changing or altering a position. We shouldn't want someone who has their ideas crafted in stone, we should want someone who is willing to try and craft the best policy possible. An idea should never be stagnant.</p>

<p>As for the cheating allegations. These rather interest me, because there is an inherent flaw in the lie. If there had been proof of cheating that was exclusive to Obama's campaign, you can't convince me or anyone else that Hilary wouldn't of gone public with it. The woman is known as an outright **** in Washington, there is no way she holds that back.</p>

<p>Caucuses v. Primary results.</p>

<p>Obama won 18 state Primaries. Clinton won 19 not including Michigan and Florida for obvious reasons.</p>

<p>Your insinuation that Caucus and Primary results are different because of cheating is baseless for a couple reasons. First, Caucus' have precincts, and most states have precincts cast their votes wholly in favor of a candidate and not splitting them. This makes a huge difference depending on how the precincts are split up. Second, in states with both a caucus and primary, most people don't go do both, and a lot of people who vote in the primary are simply intimidated by the caucus process. Going in and voting on a machine or a sheet of paper is something nearly everyone knows in this country, but ask them how the caucus process goes and they will stare at you blankly.</p>

<p>The "white guilt" and "race bating" is laughable. Superior minority candidates to Obama have come before him, and didn't benefit in such a way. There's absolutely no empirical evidence to support this. In fact there is much more empirical evidence that says the race issue goes the other way.</p>

<p>Until you provide the proof of this "cheating" or of Hilary running the White House, you merely sound like an 8 year old who got beat on his Sega Genesis too many times, threw the controller against the wall and screamed out "He Cheated".</p>