Costs for fraternity--who pays?

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<p>To correct the misconception that all GLOs just pick carbon copies of themselves:</p>

<p>Greek Life doesn’t take the place of other activities. It is an activity like many other college organizations. My D’s group has girls who are on various intercollegiate teams (xc, tennis, track), various honor societies, political orgs, Campus Kitchens, Shepherd Poverty program, Mock Convention, student media (radio and print), etc. Some girls are on Financial Aid and have work-study and loans, some pay full-freight. There are girls of different racial ethnicities and religions in her chapter as well.</p>

<p>I just looked at my own chapter’s website. The sisters of my alma mater are from all the colleges of my university and are involved in activities across the spectrum. </p>

<p>Panhel recruitment is different than the IFC/NIC. The male version is much less formal and consequently less egalitarian. In my experience, boys tend to pledge in packs, ie from the same team or even the same dorm floor. I saw this back in the 80’s at my school, my brother’s school in the 90’s and currently at my daughter’s college in the new millenium. However, if you look at a particular chapter, you are bound to find a cross-section of student life.</p>

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<p>Not all areas of the country have negative attitudes about the Greek system. I grew up in a Boston suburb and there was an extreme amount of anti-Greek negativity amongst my high school peers. When I initially went to college in a different city, I did have that bias chip on my shoulder and didn’t participate in rush as a freshman. However, I saw how the greek organizations at my school helped the university and the surrounding community and I knew I wanted to be part of that. So I rushed as an upperclassman and have loved every minute of my over 2-decade membership. My parents were ambivalent, they honestly didn’t care one way or another as they had not pledged as undergrads. By the time my brother was in college, they saw how my sister and I had benefited from our respective organizations, and were pleased that he found a home within his university.</p>

<p>Your child should absolutely put down his offices, especially Treasurer!</p>

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<p>I wonder if there is any relief for this type of discrimination in the Civil Rights Acts or the Civil Rights Reform Acts. Maybe the EEOC should be involved ;)</p>

<p>It seems awfully discriminatory to base a hiring decision on whether someone held a leadership position in a greek organization. Considering that every organization is different on a given campus, and that each organization can vary from campus to campus, you could very well be losing some wonderful people based on your personal bias. </p>

<p>I do quite a bit of hiring and firing as well, and I’ve always been leery of clowns. If I see any circus affiliations, I’m going to X those folks right off the list!!!</p>

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<p>I agree with ag54. To automatically “discount” somebody because they held a leadership position in a sorority/fraternity doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.</p>

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<p>“However, if truth be told, the public image of Greek life is one that participants do constantly have to defend whether it is accurate or not”</p>

<p>Of, course. What would you have greeks do, sit by idly and allow people to wax on and on about how they are lowlifes, and not say anything? Seems like greeks are in a lose-lose situation here. If they don’t stick up for themselves, they’re a bunch of weenies. If they do stick up for themselves, the response is, “see- look at how greeks always have to defend themselves!”</p>

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<p>“I do a lot of hiring and I would run the other way from a resume that listed a fraternity position or a sorority position on the resume because my experience with the former president of her sorority has taught me that those skills do not transfer well to the type of work that we do.”</p>

<p>Or hiring women, cause you just know they’re gonna get preggers. Or minorities because they’re just so different than me…</p>

<p>What you’re really pointing out is your abilities here, not the potential job applicant.</p>

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<p>or Yankees, because you know they are always so rude ;)</p>

<p>We could go on and on - </p>

<p>Here’s to open mindedness!!! :)</p>

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<p>I don’t like people who live in gated communities, since they’re not open enough to associate with the rest of the world. Same for country club members, union members, and members of certain churches (if people were really open-minded, they’d worship through ecumenical organizations). Screw freedom of association! This stuff shouldn’t be allowed!</p>

<p>;)</p>

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<p>I guess the relevant question here is whether fraternity membership/leadership positions be included on a resume. I am not sure if leadership positions in a church/synagogue/mosque or political organizationsare usually included on a resume, for example. This has nothing to do with if fraternities/sororities/religious organizations/political organizations are a good or bad thing, just whether it should be included on a resume for jobs which are not associated with these organizations. Personally, I think they should be included because they show leadership and involvement, but I don’t know what others think.</p>

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<p>MotherofTwo, I agree with you that such fraternity/sorority positions should be included on a resume because they often DO show leadership and involvement.</p>

<p>Way back in the Dark Ages when I went to college, I was the Social Chairman for my sorority. To those that may think that involved figuring out where and when to throw the next kegger, you are wrong. Sorry to disappoint you. I worked my butt off in that position, organizing sorority social functions/formals, visiting hotel ballrooms and other venues, negotiating rental agreements, dinner prices, etc. I organized rush parties in the spring and fall, which was a heck of a lot of work. I also put together fundraisers so that we could raise money for local charities. I am proud of the work I did and the valuable life experience I gained in doing so.</p>

<p>It’s still on my resume and I graduated from college 25 years ago. I have no plans to ever take it off.</p>

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<p>Just a quick moment to weigh in. S participated in career seminar at his college and was advised to include his fraternity leadership. FWIW, he had his internship employer review his resume at the end of the summer, and the leadership stayed.</p>

<p>(As to the original topic. S pays. I don’t know how much the dues are as he never even considered asking us to pay. Fraternity life has been a huge success. Not stereotypic.)</p>

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<p>Gary Forsee, Beta-Chi (Missouri-Rolla) - CEO of Sprint</p>

<p>Todd Wagner, Beta-Theta (Indiana) - Co-Founder of Broadcast.com (sold to Yahoo for $5.7 billion)</p>

<p>Scott Sassa, Delta-Eta (USC) - President of Friendster</p>

<p>Bob Osher, Delta-Eta (USC) - COO of Columbia Motion Picture Group (Sony)</p>

<p>William Hewlett, Beta-Zeta (Stanford) - Co-Founder, Hewlett-Packard</p>

<p>Jack Smith, Jr., Gamma-Delta (Massachusetts) - President, General Motors </p>

<p>Robert Eaton, Gamma-Omicron (Kansas) - Chairman and COO, Chrysler Corporation</p>

<p>Alan Mulally, Gamma-Omicron (Kansas) Senior VP for Airplane Development, Boeing Corp.</p>

<p>Paul Henson, Alpha-Psi (Nebraska) - Chairman of the Board, United Telecom </p>

<p>Bill Howard, Alpha-Eta (George Washington) - President, Piedmont Airlines </p>

<p>Allen Jacobson, Gamma-Lambda (Iowa State) - CEO, 3M Company</p>

<p>Robert G. Krebs, Beta-Zeta (Stanford) - CEO Burlington Northern/Santa Fe Railroad Corp.</p>

<p>R.W. Lundgren, Gamma-Sigma (Oregon State) - Chairman of the Board, Dow Chemical </p>

<p>Ben Gilmer, Beta-Eta (Auburn) - CEO, AT&T </p>

<p>Peter Leggett, Upsilon (Hampden-Sydney) - Vice President, Legett Stores</p>

<p>Richard Rainwater, Tau (Texas), Financeer</p>

<p>Willard Rockwell, Alpha-Delta (Penn State) - President, North American Rockwell</p>

<p>J. Tylee Wilson, Delta-Beta (Lafayette) - Chairman, RJR Nabisco</p>

<p>Pierson M. Grieve, Epsilon-Delta (Northwestern) - CEO, Ecolab, Inc </p>

<p>Richard Haskayne, Epsilon-Alpha (Alberta) - Chairman of Board of TransCanada PipeLines Limited </p>

<p>John P. Surma, Jr., Alpha-Delta (Penn State)- Chairman and CEO of US Steel</p>

<p>Bob Dole
Gamma-Omicron (Kansas)
Former Senator
and Presidential Candidate
R-Kansas Richard Burr
Delta-Omega (Wake Forest)
Senator
R-North Carolina Sonny Perdue
Beta-Lambda (Georgia)
Governor of Georgia John Murtha
Beta-Delta (Washington & Jefferson)
Congressman
Jimmy Buffett
Epsilon-Nu
(Southern Mississippi)
Musician Chris Harrison
Theta-Psi
(Oklahoma City University)
Host of The Bachelor Robert Redford
Gamma-Tau
(Colorado)
Actor, Director Mike O’Malley
Beta-Kappa
(New Hampshire)
Actor (Yes, Dear)
Ted Turner
Beta-Alpha
(Brown University)
Media mogul, TNT, TBS, CNN, MGM Sam Donaldson
Epsilon-Xi
(Texas-El Paso)
ABC News Mike Williams
Xi-Gamma
(SUNY/New Paltz)
Actor (The Blair Witch Project) Dan Dierdorf
Beta-Gamma
(Michigan)
Sports Commentator </p>

<p>General Paul V. Hester
Delta-Xi (Mississippi) - Commander
Pacific Air Forces, and Air Component Commander for the Commander
General B.B. Bell
Alpha-Iota (UT/Chattanooga) - Commanding General
US Army, Europe & 7th Army and Commander,
Allied Land Component Command Heidelberg</p>

<p>Dr. Denton Cooley
Tau
(Texas)
World Famous Heart Surgeon Edgar D. Mitchell
Delta-Alpha
(Carnegie-Mellon)
Former Apollo program Astronaut Edwin Hubble
Gamma-Beta
(Chicago)
Nobel winning Astronomer
namesake of Hubble Telescope </p>

<p>This mess is just some of the people who belong to my kid’s frat. Gee, I don’t know if fraternity membership hurt them that much..:)</p>

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<p>I know that group! :slight_smile: They had a great chapter at my school.</p>

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<p>Ooh Ooh <raises hand=“” very=“” excited=“”> Can I play this game too? Please!</raises></p>

<p>Unfortunately it appears my organization has taken the list of famous alumni off our website, so this will come off the top of my head. I won’t have chapters because of it.</p>

<p>Senator Richard Lugar
Astronaut Joseph P. Allen
Almost the entire Nordstrom family
Sam Walton
Football coach Gary Barnett
Baseball Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt
Basketball Hall of Famer John Wooden
Former Senator Don Nickles
Actor Richard Karn - Al on Home Improvement
Former House Minority Leader in the 80’s John J. Rhodes
Mark Felt “Deep Throat” who led to the downfall of Richard Nixon
Actor Adam West famously played Batman
ESPN Anchor Neil Everett
Author Ken Kesey
Professional Tennis player and classic Adidas shoe namesake Stan Smith
Founder of Nike Bill Bowerman</p>

<p>That’s all I can come up with right now</p>

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<p>Boy that’s alot of successful people not to hire, isn’t it? ;)</p>

<p>I mean c’mon… JIMMY BUFFET? You wouldn’t hire JIMMY BUFFET?</p>

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<p>BRM’s group is another great national organization. They are recolonizing at my D’s school this fall.</p>

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<p>“Rushed,” a controversial documentary on Northwestern University’s sorority recruitment process, received honorable mention at Northwestern’s film festival.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.northbynorthwestern.com/2006/12/1148/rushed/[/url]”>http://www.northbynorthwestern.com/2006/12/1148/rushed/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I can play too: (but I’m going to edit down to the some of the big ones, there are too many)</p>

<p>Son’s fraternity:</p>

<p>Robert Crandall (Alpha Zeta) former president, chairman and CEO of American Airlines
Ely Callaway (Epsilon) Founder, Callaway Golf
Ken May (Gamma Gamma) CEO, FedEx Kinko’s </p>

<p>Adm. Richard E. Byrd (Lambda) U.S. Navy, Antarctic explorer; Medal of Honor recipient </p>

<p>William Clements (Beta Lambda) former governor (Texas) </p>

<p>Clark M. Clifford (Alpha Theta) former counsel to U.S. presidents Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy; former secretary of defense </p>

<p>J. Edgar Hoover (Alpha Nu) former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation </p>

<p>Gen. George C. Marshall (Beta) former U.S. secretary of state, former U.S. secretary of defense, former general of the U.S. Army, author of the “Marshall Plan”, Nobel Peace Prize recipient </p>

<p>G.V. “Sonny” Montgomery (Beta Tau) former U.S. congressman, author of the GI Bill of Rights </p>

<p>Gen. George S. Patton (Beta) former commander, 3rd U.S. Army </p>

<p>Gen. J.H. Binford Peay III (Beta) Former commander, US CENTCOM, Superintendent of VMI </p>

<p>Dean Rusk (Sigma) former U.S. secretary of state </p>

<p>Ben Crenshaw (Omicron) professional golfer (son’s chapter)</p>

<p>Burt Hooton (Omicron) former major league baseball player and coach </p>

<p>Danny Sullivan (Theta) Formula One and Indycar driver </p>

<p>Husband’s Fraternity:</p>

<p>Drew BreesS, Purdue, 2001. Quarterback, New Orleans Saints. </p>

<p>Mike DitkaS, Pittsburgh, 1961. Tight end and later Coach, Chicago Bears, Pro Football Hall of Fame. </p>

<p>Bob GrieseS, Purdue, 1967. Quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, during the 17-0 1972 season, Pro Football Hall of Fame.[1] </p>

<p>Woody HayesS, Denison, 1935. NCAA Football Coach, The Ohio State University, 1951 - 1978. College Football Hall of Fame </p>

<p>Mike HolmgrenS, USC, 1970. coach, Green Bay Packers, Seattle Seahawks. </p>

<p>Urban Meyer (woohoo), Cincinnati, 1986. Head Football Coach, University of Florida, 2006 National Championship Coach. </p>

<p>Merlin Olsen, Utah State, 1962, Defensive Tackle, Los Angeles Rams, Pro Football Hall of Fame. </p>

<p>Thomas du Pont, MIT, 1885. President DuPont Chemical; U.S. Senator, Delaware, 1921 - 1922, 1924 - 1925. </p>

<p>Barry Goldwater, University of Arizona, 1932. U.S. Senator, Arizona, 1953 - 1965, 1969 - 1987. </p>

<p>Warren Beatty, Northwestern, 1959. Film actor, Film director, Bonnie & Clyde, Reds.[1] </p>

<p>James Caviezel, University of Washington, 1990. Film actor, The Passion of the Christ. </p>

<p>William Christopher, Wesleyan University, 1958. Television actor, M<em>A</em>S*H (TV series). </p>

<p>Brian DennehyS, Columbia University, 1960. Tony Award-winning actor. </p>

<p>Woody Harrelson, Hanover College, 1983. Emmy-award winning film actor.[1] </p>

<p>David Hartman, Duke University, 1956. Actor, former host, Good Morning America </p>

<p>David Letterman (this gives it away), Ball State University, 1969. Television personality, host, The Late Show with David Letterman.[1] </p>

<p>Brad Pitt, University of Missouri, 1986. Film actor, Fight Club.[1] </p>

<p>Andy Rooney, Colgate University, 1942. Television personality, 60 Minutes. </p>

<p>Tom Selleck, University of Southern California, 1967. Television actor, Magnum P.I..[1] </p>

<p>Rip Torn, University of Texas at Austin, 1952. Film actor, Men In Black. </p>

<p>Kenneth “Bud” Adams (BOO HISS), University of Kansas, 1944. Owner of Tennessee Titans.</p>

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<p>WTH. Should someone start posting lists of rich/famous/beautiful people who weren’t in frats?</p>

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<p>weenie, the lists got started as a reaction to the posts about fraternity members being at a disadvantage in hiring.</p>

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<p>Weenie, why does it bother you so much? We are simply having fun on an open forum celebrating achievement by a certain segment and trying to set up a “figure this out” thing.</p>

<p>If you don’t want to participate, Don’t.</p>

<p>We all know that there are far more people who are rich/famous/beautiful who were not in frats.</p>