^^@collegeandi I think you posted on the wrong thread. The discussion about whether the sentence of Brock Turner was fair or not is in the Parent Cafe.
The link about Brock fits the theme of this thread.
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OP >>>Why society doesn't learn any lessons from dangerously high rate of our young kids getting sucked into "culture" where binge drinking, taking drugs, irresponsible sexual behavior and even sexual assaults are just a regular thing?
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It is important that he faces consequences and victim receives full support but it’s “crucial to prevent more incidents” and change this culture.>>>
@momofthreeboys, the article highlights the “culture” part of hushing by the school officials, swim team members and Brock Turner’s history before this incidence happened.
If the officials would not have hushed previous incidents, Brock would NOT have raped the victim. That’s “prevention”
199 was regarding creating a wrong "culture" by letting him off too easily and downplaying what actually happened by putting it in a derogatory language -"20 mins of action"
Actually I think his high school and college life was pretty much an open book in the court documents. And the college had very little to do with this particular case. IMO the only thing that would have changed Brock and possibly the victim’s destiny would be if they weren’t both drunk. But again it’s being discussed in a different thread.
From the article :
Members of the Stanford University women’s swim team wanted to write to the judge overseeing the Brock Allen Turner sex-attack case about his creepy behavior — but were reportedly “pressured” by school officials not to speak out.
@collegeandi: Probably because doing so would be illegally interfering in an ongoing criminal case by trying to bias a presiding judge. People are not entitled to advocate to a judge just because they don’t like the defendant. Victims have specific laws that entitle them to give Victim Impact Statements at sentencing. Other people don’t get to.
204 was in response to the statement "And the college had very little to do with this particular case." in #203.
There were many red flags as mentioned:
“From the beginning, the women swimmers had found him to be very, very odd. Brock would make comments to the women such as ‘I can see your t–s in that swimsuit.’ ”
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One top competitor said she would never let herself be alone with Turner after observing his drunken antics at parties, the magazine reported.
The article discusses the current situation after the sentencing and not during the trial :
“The team has been instructed to not discuss Brock Turner publicly or to the media,” InTouch quoted the source as saying. “The entire team completely supports the victim and wishes that Brock had gotten a much harsher sentence.”
If it were during the trial period, I completely agree with what you have mentioned.
I MO “sexual irresponsibility” has more to do with two people getting drunk/high, having consensual sex and regretting it when the buzz wears off. Maybe the OP needs to define.
^ That’s a good suggestion.
My question is : Can Stanford and other Universities take some steps to identify individuals who show many red flags over the period of time in order to prevent such occurrence? Does any such system already exist? If it were, why this wasn’t caught earlier? What the Universities are going to do after this is over in order to prevent or at least reduce them significantly?
From what I read in the article, Stanford is trying to hush it up. That will be setting wrong culture on the campus.
@collegeandi: My apologies if I misread. It looked to me like the article discussed both during the trial writing to the judge, and after the trial making statements to the media. I’m generally not a fan of schools trying to control the speech of their students, so I disapprove of the latter, but I would make an exception for the former. In that we do not disagree.
No offence taken, @Demosthenes49 
What is the obsession with red flags? Don’t people get that many people do bad things without ever having exhibited red flags in the past? Is it wanting to believe so badly that someone screwed up by not identifying a red flag? Is it a belief that bad people “foreshadow” their bad deeds? Or that a bad person / bad deed has to be the fault of bad parents?
Without reference to BT specifically, why isn’t it possible that someone does bad things without a warning sign? There’s always a first time.
To add to what @Pizzagirl said, it’s also possible that so-called red flags have poor predictive power. It may be that many of the people who display them never go on to commit a seriously bad deed.
211, #212, there is NO obsession over any one particular thing. I fail to understand why Stanford attempts to hush it up rather than taking up lessons to try to make it a safer and more responsible place. Wouldn't anyone want our colleges to be safer?
I’m not understanding what “Stanford is hushing up”. Are you referring to a drinking culture at Stanford or something else? All campuses would be safer if the kids drank less, and some campuses do not have a “big” drinking culture and some really don’t have a drinking culture at all. Obviously those party hearty campuses typically don’t broadcast that in their marketing materials. And some campuses that have made great strides in clamping down on their drinking culture still have the “stigma” of having been a “drinking school.” I have no knowledge of what Stanford’s culture is like, but I’m not understanding what you think Stanford has been hushing up.
These are the statements and actions from the school officials:
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Members of the Stanford University women’s swim team wanted to write to the judge overseeing the Brock Allen Turner sex-attack case about his creepy behavior — but were reportedly “pressured” by school officials not to speak out.
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A school representative, however, told the magazine that the students can make whatever statement they would like as private individuals.
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However, the insider insisted that the school had indeed silenced the women.
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“The team has been instructed to not discuss Brock Turner publicly or to the media,” InTouch quoted the source as saying. “The entire team completely supports the victim and wishes that Brock had gotten a much harsher sentence.”
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In order: Yes, yes, and it depends on the individual facts of each case.
Universities do generally have internal tracking systems for flagging students who present issues (on both the student behavior and academic dishonesty sides) but where those issues don’t quite rise to the level of disciplinary sanctions. However, those tracking systems require that the student’s behaviors be reported to the appropriate disciplinary office (e.g., the Dean of Students or whatever the equivalent is). However, getting people to report possibly problematic behavior can be difficult, whether because they don’t want to get involved, or they’re afraid that they’re misinterpreting what the student is doing, or they simply don’t know the option is there.
Of course, this sort of system isn’t for red flags—more for wildly waving yellow flags.
(Also, can we get off the specifics of the Turner case? There are other threads for that. This one’s quite nicely much more general.)
Sexual promiscuity and binge drinking/drug abuse are not unique to the current generation of college students. It has been a staple of American college life for quite a while.
Drinking and sex are not unique to this generation, however the amount of alcohol women consume during a binge is rising, granted at a higher rate than in young people not in college than in college but the statistics are there regarding binge drinking. Data also correlates to the higher rates of sexual assault to young women not in college compared to women in college under the legal definition of sexual assault. College age women’s desires to add kissing and touching as a sexual offense on campuses leads to the inflated statistics in my opinion. That said, I can’t find a single data point that doesn’t say that drinking to drunkeness is not a risk factor for assault or worse for men and women.
@momofthreeboys I think the “higher rates of sexual assault” can be attributed to increased reporting and less coverups, along with universities/law enforcement agencies adopting more tangible guidelines on what sexual assault is. It is not like the college students these days are simply more likely to commit or be victim to sexual assault. Sexual assault is a HUGE issue, and we need to take many steps to reduce its presence on our college campuses. I think one of these steps is recognizing that it has ALWAYS been a huge issue, but has been largely ignored by past generations.