Current Stern Sophomore: Ask Me

<p>Thanks, hellodocks, for all this useful information. It really gives me some insight on my decisions. </p>

<p>I have a few more concerns. </p>

<p>1) How’s access to the school’s computer labs, printing, and the like? Can we use the computers and technology freely and do we have to pay extra for printing? </p>

<p>2) In the case that you do not manage a GPA of 3.0+ (and your EC isn’t so great either), is it possible for you to still get a job or are you basically doomed? Or more specifically, will going to NYU Stern GUARANTEE you a job upon graduation? I don’t mind if it’s not an amazing, BIG OFFER type of job, (it can be a mediocre offer even) but a job nonetheless. Employment is essential to me, as there is quite a debt to pay off at NYU. </p>

<p>3) I noticed how you mentioned that NYU’s curriculum revolves around its core, and that you only need to take a few classes in your major in order to complete the major. Would you say that this is disadvantageous to your area of specialization, and you may not be learning everything you need to know for your major? (Since so much time is spent on the core) </p>

<p>4) Are professors generally approachable and are willing to talk to students in need of help? And have you ever had coursework in certain classes that requires fieldwork outside the classroom? (Ex: Projects that do not stay in the classrooms)</p>

<p>Thank-you. I feel horrible for asking so many questions.</p>

<p>Well, I was just curious. I’m thinking about going to Grad school for economics (maybe a phD or masters). I’m not really too interested in investment banking. I was admitted to the Business and Political Economy program and I just wanted to know: Is it useless to go to Stern if I’m not planning to go into finance or investment banking? Would it be better to go to another school to do more direct economics work?</p>

<p>Also, do you know about any opportunities to help professors with research projects or anything like that?</p>

<p>How many people with BEMT minors do you see actually entering the entertainment industry (specifically the music business)
Is it possible to justify an extra 13k a year to come to stern as opposed to Northwestern and why?</p>

<p>@Hellodocks</p>

<p>“It’s possible to network your way out and get something better, but by far those who broke in did it to a ‘lower’ position. Kind of like how Fordham has a football team but this past year was the first year anyone from there ever made it through the NFL draft.”</p>

<p>I like the John Skelton analogy lol. And possibly like people from Fordham going into BB banks, he didn’t fare too well come game-time.</p>

<p>@nostalgia</p>

<p>No school will ever guarantee you a job after graduation. If you ever see something that guarantees job placement it is probably a scam. However, even if you have a 3.0 GPA but you have decent work experience, you will be fine if you use Stern’s connections. </p>

<p>Once again, if you know your GPA is going to be low, you better have work experience. GET SOME WORK EXPERIENCE or finding a job will be hard.</p>

<p>Stern has 98% placement at graduation. This has been a consistent trend at least for the past 5 years but likely longer.</p>

<p>Scroll to the bottom right: <a href=“http://www.stern.nyu.edu/UC/ProspectiveStudent/index.htm[/url]”>http://www.stern.nyu.edu/UC/ProspectiveStudent/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Hi, </p>

<p>I’ve heard that all Stern undergraduates are required to study overseas as part of the business core. I believe it’s called the “International Studies Program” where you must spend time in another country as part of the course for junior/sophomore year. How exactly does this work? Did you have experience with this before? And if you don’t go overseas, are you not allowed to graduate?</p>

<p>There is a one week trip during Junior year that is funded by a foundation/donor. During that semester, you study the workings of a particular business abroad and then you go an visit them during Spring Break with the rest of your class. I believe each year they select three locations (i.e.: Buenos Aires, Prague and Mumbai or Shanghai).</p>

<p>Someone on the Georgetown Board noted that at Stern I would be competing with most of the class for a job compared to at Georgetown where I would be competing with less people. I was wondering if this were true and if so how that would affect my chances of getting a job.</p>

<p>Thankyou!</p>

<p>Hey Docks! </p>

<p>How was your experience in WTE and Business and It’s Publics? Do you think it would be worth it to retake the SATs for a higher writing score in order to place out of WTE?</p>

<p>hellodocks and the other guy :slight_smile:
you guys are doing a great job i had a question and i tried reading the first couple pages to find a answer but I couldnt and it was just overwhelming.</p>

<p>I was just wondering how much i could expect to make coming out of nyu stern and going into finance (bonuses and all included)
Im guessing that there’s different tiers and that goldman definitely pays more than other places.
So how much money can i expect at a high tier, mid tier, and low tier company?(Salary +Wages)</p>

<p>@nostalgia
It’s alright, I get to them when I can.

  1. 24/7. There’s a number of labs scattered across our buildings. The largest is on the first floor of Tisch and is absolutely packed in the 15 minute breaks between classes when everyone swarms it to print. There are 32 workstations upstairs and maybe 3 downstairs along with a Bloomberg terminal ($75,000 a year, by the way, gratis courtesy of Stern). Besides all that, there are print stations on every floor, so once you install Print@Stern on your laptop, you can queue print jobs from anywhere in the Stern buildings and print at any print station you want.</p>

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<li><p>You will find something by coming out of Stern. I can’t see anyone having below a 3.0, that’s like pulling 0 As and a few B-s. Rare that you’d have a semester that’s that hard or that anyone who gets in is that poor a student. i.e. I’m not a genius and I worked 30 hours on+off-campus and still pulled >3.5 last semester with a couple tough courses.</p></li>
<li><p>Stern’s curriculum, not NYU. NYU has the MAP, Morse Academic Program, a fancy name for our gen-ed requirements. Stern’s beauty is that you get the foundations of a streamlined gen-ed program, a very comprehensive core business education, and then some freedom regarding coursework in your concentration. In my mind it’s a fabulous education, a compromise between rigidity and freedom with a bunch of unique, specialized, interesting course offerings. I chose to sacrifice some credit freedom by taking a semester abroad, but that was my decision. These are the components of your education at NYU:</p></li>
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<p>MAP: Altered for Stern to remove some excess reqs (i.e. no language, only 1 NatSci semester instead of 2)
Stern core: Broad base with at least one required course in every single business discipline (i.e. marketing, management, finance, accounting, ethics, IT, etc.)
Concentration: Think of these almost as electives, because you get to choose about 4 courses out of a total of 10-12 for that major.
Electives: completely unrestricted credits where you can take any class in the university you want.</p>

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<li>Almost always. Some (unfortunately) will be way more concerned with research, but in general, if you demonstrate that you’re committed and trying to put in the effort, you won’t be turned away. Many courses have group work and are very time-intensive. You won’t have to go outside Stern per se, but in classes like OrgComm or MOA you’ll be spending hours weekly meeting with your team the entire semester.</li>
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<p>@sulaiman
An undergrad business degree would not be a bad route to a top econ program, but you could very well go somewhere else and do just as well. You could major in econ at Stern, or go to CAS econ (top 10 nationally), or go to another school altogether. If you aren’t interested in finance, you’ll probably enjoy Stern a lot more than most because you won’t be pressured with competition for the elite jobs straight out of undergrad knowing you’re looking for an M.S. in econ. That’s a tremendous amount of stress lifted off your shoulders, so I’d be incredibly jealous of you. Going to Stern is never useless unless you plan to live in a cave underground the rest of your life. What you’ll learn here will be incredibly formative for your adult life, your career, and your ideology.</p>

<p>There are a limited number of research opportunities with faculty, they do exist, but I don’t have much experience with them. You can find a number of them posted on a certain section of the website once you have your NetID activated.</p>

<p>@ExurKun
I have no idea, unfortunately, because I don’t have the opportunity to interact with many on the Tisch or Steinhardt side of the minor. I don’t know how many kids in Stern want to enter the entertainment field. The TA in my BEMT course last semester had gone through the undergrad program, placed into some major role in the field, and the prof had coerced her back to counsel students. She clearly managed to do what she wanted.</p>

<p>As for justifying one school versus another, I don’t have time to go into all the qualitative areas that differentiate the two schools. That’s something you’ll have to do, or go to WSO where 5 people have asked the same question this week. One of them may have even been you, haha.</p>

<p>@fireman
Yeah, haha. I was recruited to a lot of crappy schools in the South for D-III sports which I turned down to pursue academics at serious schools, but I really miss athletics. I was trying so hard to find out how to enroll for a non-credit course at Fordham so I could play ball there, then I read about his draft and I was like “uhhhh I wanna go play.”</p>

<p>@comment
Well, it’s a bit of a vicious cycle. If you have a poor GPA it’s hard to get internships, and without internships it’s hard to get good full-time placement. GPA is pretty critical, and the best way to pad it is freshman year. You’ll have no hard classes really, so it’s just time to put in work. No other time you’ll have as little to do and as much fun/free time to explore.</p>

<p>@rainfall
The course is called ISP, International Studies Program. It’s a macro course exploring large-scale econ themes, and part of the course involves spending your junior year spring break abroad. It is mandatory, you won’t do it sophomore year, definitely junior year. You can enroll in a traditional study abroad program at any point in your college tenure, but ISP is non-negotiable.</p>

<p>@blizzard
That shouldn’t be too much of a consideration. Saying McDonough is a better option because there’s less competition doesn’t hold water because the options coming out of McDonough will be worse than Stern. Yeah, Georgetown overall is a tremendous school that’s more prestigious than NYU, but for finance, not happening. Recruiting there is far less prevalent and kids there far less motivated to enter business, and to be frank, I think it’s better to be surrounded by like-minded kids who push you to that competitive edge that helps you succeed in interviews, career, and life than it is to be the only kid trying to do banking amidst a bunch of future Congressmen.</p>

<p>@veggiestop
Got exempted from WTE because for 2013 they tried out this policy where if you had an 800 on the English SAT subsection you could skip your entire freshman writing requirement. I did so I skipped it, best decision ever. Everyone else loathed that class and complained nonstop. Funnily enough, they canceled the policy for the following year, making my year the only to have that option. :wink: If you can get out of WTE, do it. C&C, the course you can place into if you have a 750+, is a far better course overall and it’s much more suited to Stern. You’ll get relevant topics, better teachers who actually care, objective grading rather than subjective grading (i.e. based on skill and effort rather than how much the grad student teacher likes you or not), Stern scheduling (i.e. a class time that fits well with your others instead of something in CAS that throws everything into disarray), and a bunch of other Stern kids who will create a more engaging discourse revolving around modern business topics instead of kids discussing some assigned book no one actually read.</p>

<p>@pqr
You’re actually incorrect. There’s a couple terms: ‘Street’, ‘compensation,’ and ‘all-in.’ Street means the pay that’s competitive on Wall St. for that title, compensation refers to any of the salary, cash bonus, stock bonus, or deferred bonus you receive as payment, and ‘all-in’ is the total value of everything you receive for that year’s work.</p>

<p>Goldman, Morgan, JPM, Citi, CS, DB, UBS, BAML, and BarCap (collective known as the bulge bracket or BB) all pay ‘street,’ i.e. the base salary is the same across the board, otherwise they can’t attract talent. Elite boutiques and MM (middle market) firms also pay street, so firms like Lazard, Houlihan Lokey, Evercore, Qatalyst, PWP, Centerview and many more are all at the same base compensation as the BB.</p>

<p>The variation comes at the bonus, so depending on how well your bank has done, how well your group has done, and how hard your MD can go to bat for you, your bonus may vary from .15-.75 a multiple of your salary. Right now street for analyst level (your first two years in banking) is $70k base, $10k sign-on bonus, and $2.5k relocation bonus, so your year-end bonus at firms of this caliber can range from $10k (or lower if you’re awful) to $50k (or more if you’re a rainmaker). Sometimes they’ll throw more at a godly analyst to keep him from lateralling (moving to another firm) or less to someone who’s worth nothing to them.</p>

<p>Outside the BB, compensation can vary a lot, but generally all-in right now for top-bucket analysts is $120k or so. Sucks, compared to 2006-7 in the boom years when bonuses were $100k and kids were making close to or actually $200k out of school. The way bonuses vary depends on your ranking, so if you’re first-tier, you get more than the guys grouped and rated as second-tier, who in turn get more than third-tier bottomfeeders.</p>

<p>Also, salary and wages, haha wow. Wages are an hourly rate, something you will not be getting in a white-collar industry like banking. You get a flat package, salary + bonus, and it doesn’t matter whether you get lucky and work 80 hours a week or get crapped on and work 100 a week, it stays the same.</p>

<p>Hi hellodocks,</p>

<p>Just to be sure, incoming freshmen will have to achieve at least 750 on their SAT Writing section to be placed out of WTE and do the C&C instead? I just want to be certain about this point, because I have seen other posts elsewhere where people were debating about the actual minimum score for SAT Writing section to be placed out of WTE. Personally, I scored a 740 for SAT Writing, so if the rule stands that you need at least 750 (I understand that the rules are changed from year to year, as you mentioned) I might be seriously considering retaking the SAT.</p>

<p>Appreciate your help! Thanks :)</p>

<p>It was 750 and always has been, as far as I know.</p>

<p>Is there any kind of upperclassman mentorship program apart from just regular advising?</p>

<p>Umm… do Stern BPE students have to do the WTE class as well? Also, do you know what students think of the BPE program? And I’m down to two universities. NYU Stern BPE and Boston College CAS economics honors program, each college with similar financial details. Which college do you think I should choose? Especially if I wanna do research and go for a phD or MS in economics after my undergrad experience.</p>

<p>Also, do you know if there is an honors program in BPE? Lastly, is it hard to get high grades in Stern as a whole?</p>

<p>Thanks for your help again Hellodocks. You’re definitely helping with your information!</p>

<p>@lullina
I don’t believe so, unless you go seek it out on your own or join some extracurricular society that sponsors such a program.</p>

<p>@sulaiman
I don’t know if BPE kids do WTE, I think they may because a kid on my floor freshman year complained about WTE and he’s abroad in his sophomore year in the program now. Email advising to find out for sure. I’m gonna be biased and say you should go to Stern.</p>

<p>For grades, read the rest of the thread, don’t want to keep repeating myself.</p>

<p>Thanks for your help!</p>

<p>@hellodocks, thank you, you cleared up a lot of things! Sorry about the ignorance, atleast i wont sound like a fool next year! and just to make sure ibanking translates to investment banking right?
I also have one last question/confirmation, you need 750+ in Writing and NOT Critical Reading to place out of WTE right?</p>