<p>80want,</p>
<p>In our ED experience you find out on the exact date and time specified by Admissions. We were told to log into a portal at at a specific time (5pm) on a specific date to find the answer. My son’s coach asked us to call after he found out from admissions. I presume this was intended to close the loop with the coach as he already knew. Good luck.</p>
<p>In our experience, both kids actually heard from ED before the NLT date. They had already received LLs but the ED notification for all apps was earlier than the schools had announced.</p>
<p>In our case, admissions/coaches have simply offered the NLT date. No specific date/tiime. Also this school does not provide LL, just a admission pre-read with coach support/slot etc, with the ever-present caveat “everything looks good but nothing is official til u get letter/email of acceptance”.</p>
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<p>So glad I came across this thread. Must say that after researching the recruiting process and doing our best to navigate, we’re now waiting for the decisions. Son has had some interest with his ED (not sure what to think) and a bit of interest with some D2 EA schools and a little interest with RD schools. Not sure if we pushed enough and think our child falls into the middle ground of recruiting–not the outstanding star, but quite good. I know it will all end up well in the end, but must say the “not knowing” is worrisome. He should hear from a number of EA and the one ED school this month Time will tell.</p>
<p>Good luck ‘mom!’ I can just imagine how nerve-wracking this time must be for you and your son.</p>
<p>Thanks for the well wishes, GolfFather. My son told me, “Don’t worry. I’ll be happy wherever I go.” Can’t beat that attitude.</p>
<p>“mom” my son is pretty laid back, too. He undertands the process as well as anyone. He has done all of the right things. He has asked the right questions and been given all of the right answers. We all know that you are not in until admissions says so. His friends certainly do not understand the process, nor should they. My son is more concerned about the embarrassment of being rejected by the school to which he committed, than the rejection itself. He even understands that there is no shame in being rejected by a top 10 LAC. His friends are all good kids, too, and would be supportive. But at the end of the day, he is still a 17 year old kid. We are hoping for the best.</p>
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This is one of the biggest reasons why it is best to not share this “committment” information with the general population until it is a done deal or you feel very comfortable and confident in the situation. Folks that have signed NLIs and received LL’s should feel comfortable sharing that information because it is now on them to stay in the good graces of the school. Others waiting for the ED decision are in a different boat. if you are an ED kid or ED parent and you feel very strongly about your son’s or daughters chances, by all means share with the world. I’d rather wait the 6 weeks, and be certain of the situation before sharing. It certainly is not benefitting the recruit to share any information with anyone until the time is right.</p>
<p>Fenwaysouth, we discussed this when he made his decision 3 months ago. Moreover,the decision does not occur in a vacuum. He informed the 6 other schools that were recruiting him of his choice. He has shared the recruiting experience with his closest friends throughout the process. Several of his high school teammates have been navigating the process with him. He knows 2 other kids that have committed to the same school, one that attended, unknowingly, the OV with him. It is easier said than done to keep the decision a secret. My son is laid back but super friendly. When asked a question, he answers truthfully and openly. It is not in his nature to keep things a secret. The recruiting scene is changing from one year to the next. The process is getting earlier and earlier, and the information on recruits at all levels of play is readily available on the web. I wonder how many recruited athletes actually keep it quiet.</p>
<p>liveandlearn,</p>
<p>I totally understand where you are coming from. My S has shared his decision, also. He had to call/email numerous coaches to tell them. Two of his high school coaches were involved with him in the process and it only made sense to tell them. His friends and teamates all knew he was being recruited (for 3 different sports) and it seems silly to think he would make his decision then say nothing when asked. </p>
<p>This is what is troubling me about the D3 recruiting situation. I have no issue with there being no scholarship money (although I know some D3 schools create FA packages to induce recruits in the same way a scholarship does). I have no issue with schools that establish need-based only policies for FA (as long as they adhere to the policy). What I do have issue with is asking student-athletes to go through the recruiting process and in the end give up great opportunities while taking a leap of faith to commit ED to one school. </p>
<p>The NESCAC schools are trying to be transparent about the process by revealing the number of slots each school uses. And they allow for academic pre-reads. Athletics are plainly very important parts of the cultures of these schools. Admissions has the final say about who can attend - fine, this is as it should be. However, they should make the pre-read, the read. In another words, the commitment should be made mutually and simultaneously. It serms wholly unfair to ask a student-athlete who has invested countless hours (and potentially thousands of $) in the recruiting process to forgo opportunities based on a leap of faith (which is potentially frought with misunderstandings.)</p>
<p>liveandlearn,</p>
<p>I think we are saying the same thing. Both of our sons shared the commitment information with people they either had to (other college coaches), or with people they trust (family, close friends, teammates). Where I’ve seen folks get into trouble is when they go outside that trust circle and share with the general population or community. A 5-star D1 football recruit that goes on ESPN to commit to a school is vastly different situation than a D3 LAC or D1 Ivy baseball player sweating it out to get admitted. If things fall through with everybody knowing, then the recruit (in the 2nd scenario) could feel embarrassed. My point is that it is all under people’s control and discretion. What folks do and how they manage the situaiton is up to them.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with BMDDAD that Nescac should let the pre-read be the admission decision. Perhaps they should generate Likely Letters like the Ivies. I felt my D had to extrapolate what each coach was saying and how much support she would be given. In the process, she had to give up on several other opportunities on the “good faith” that the ed1 college would be an acceptance. After going through the process at several Nescacs, I am still unsure about whether they use slots,tips,protects …or just tips,protects. I guess they use the bands but no coach ever brought that up. Our coach contacts did not use this type of language even when asked. It was always “support or full support or most support”. What about the kid that doesn’t ask the hard questions?</p>
<p>I agree, I wish the preread had been THE read! it’s really uncomfortable turning down athletic and merit money possibilities at good d1 schools in order to do ED at a NESCAC school where you don’t know if you will really be accepted until mid December. If you aren’t, you have 2 weeks in which to scramble, make phone calls to coaches, etc.</p>
<p>That said, my d just got accepted, and I would really like to hear everyone’s d3 news as it trickles in! I’ve posted in the 2017 recruits thread and encourage everyone to do the same! Thanks!</p>
<p>Congrats LivesinHobbiton and others that have been accepted. We did some celebrating last night too as my middle son was accepted into his first choice engineering school. Most likley, he’ll play club baseball there.</p>
<p>In playing devils advocate on “making the pre-read THE READ” issue, I think THAT is the major difference between D3 and D1. It is what makes D3 and Ivy/Patriot unique. If D3 & Ivy/Patriot schools were to do what you propose then they would more closely resemble D1 schools in terms of athletic recruiting and acceptance. Could that be the point they are trying to avoid? It certainly seems that way as it is mentioned in the D3 charter, and Ivy charter. </p>
<p>Your D made the choice that academics is most important to her, and she selected the D3path. She knew the score, and plenty of others understand the decision they are making. We went through the ED process as well with my oldest son. Yes, it was some of the most difficult 6 weeks I’ve been through, but my oldest son knew what he was getting into, and he had a contingency plan. Heck, my oldest son turned down 2 traditional D1 scholarship offers to take a chance on an Ivy because of engineering not because of baseball. After some research, he clearly understood the risks/rewards of D1 college atheltics vs D3/ivy/Patriot athletics. He decided chasing the scholarship money in his sport was not a long term solution.</p>
<p>For me, it is about perspective and I think D3 and Ivy/Patriot is the model the NCAA should be trying to use more. Truthfully, I like the way D3 & Ivys schools do everything as it relates to academics and athletics. To me, they are the way things should be. In my mind D1 has run amok (except for Ivy and Patriot Leagues), and lost sight of what the goal is…to educate our population and provide athletic competition (in that order). We need more of that IMHO.</p>
<p>^^^^ Very well said. :)</p>
<p>Congrats!.. to you and your athletes/scholars fenwaysouth and LivesinHobbiton Best of luck and happy holidays.</p>
<p>D status will be know tomorrow…</p>
<p>fenway…I agree…the reason NESCAC would give is " academics first ". However, if you are going to recruit,provide tips, and have pre-reads ( and compete at a high level) I think its logical to have the pre-read stand as a likely decision. Make the pre-read more important than it currently is now. Give the student-athlete a little more assurance. I think there is too much weight placed on trusting what the coach says. All coaches are different.</p>
<p>Fenway, I agree with you and that is what I have said to anyone who asked why d wasn’t doing d1 swimming–she is passionate about her sport and passionate about improving, but she isn’t “just” a swimmer and needed a college that would respect that. I love that NESCAC refuses to let the coaches run amok with recruiting.</p>
<p>But I am uncomfortable with the level of uncertainty and risk that the athlete is supposed to bear. A more complete pre-read would be very helpful. And those of us who applied for financial aid are REALLY taking a risk with ED1. We had to trust that the EFC calculator was giving us a reasonably good number, and we had to trust that the coach was as influential as it appeared he was (and how on earth does a teenager figure any of this out?).</p>
<p>I wish everyone waiting for a decision luck and a great holiday without any more applications due…</p>
<p>As far as ED and financial aid goes, yeah, agree that is a tricky situation.</p>
<p>But heading in into this process, I’ve made it plain as can be to my D - she is not applying anywhere ED unless $ is 100% not an issue. Which basically means no ED (unless a state school).</p>
<p>Of course, I say that now. Come eight or nine months from now and my crying D has her heart set on going to school X ED. I may change my tune then. ;)</p>
<p>Fenwaysouth said
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<p>Absolutely agree. The NCAA standards for athletes are a joke. With an ACT composite of 17 and a GPA of 2.5 - you’re good to go. </p>
<p>I also agree that having a little more solid assurance re admissions would be a huge benefit for kids applying in the NESCAC. At least the Ivies give LLs - in the NESCAC you’re expected to put a lot on the line based on faith.</p>
<p>I definitely agree with the posters above who say that DIII recruiting could benefit from clearer guidelines on recruitment and offers – one perhaps that is similar to the LL process in the Ivy League. It’s very difficult for kids and their parents to be able to decipher all the levels of verbal “support” that various coaches and schools offer during the recruitment process. The statements seem mean different things at different schools and it’s nearly impossible to compare them. I’ve seen instances on this very forum where unfortunate student athletes have misunderstood what has been said to them (or worse) in situations where there was a reliance on the statements and an opportunity lost to apply to a school that might have wanted the student/athlete. That being said, I do think the Nescac has one of the better systems out there when compared to other DIII schools. The Nescac schools offer academic pre-reads for potential recruits that provide a certain degree of comfort in the process vs. some other programs where there are no pre-reads and “support” is less well defined.</p>