Dartmouth V.S Cornell

<p>which would you choose: Dartmouth or Cornell....considering the urban setting, dorms, majors variety (science dept), size of the schools, student body, etc etc.</p>

<p>Should I consider applying to either one if I have 3.8 GPA unweighted, top 3% of class, hopefully 2100+ in the SAT, 750-800 in the SATII math, and chem. Okay extra curricular activity (involved in many clubs, and one or two sports per year. 200+ community service hours). Just with this much info, tell me if I should give it a shot.</p>

<p>Your credentials sound similar to mine. I also had to choose between cornell and dartmouth. I chose dartmouth, and am very very glad that I did. yes, you have a shot, no you dont have a guarantee. its really a matter of personal choice between the two though - i really just love the feel of dartmouth's overall environment.</p>

<p>There's a dramatic difference in the feel of the two campuses. IMHO.</p>

<p>yeah, theyre definitely very different. cornell is very spread out and much, much larger. dartmouth has a more...homely...feel to it.</p>

<p>If you're planning to major in the sciences, I think Cornell has the better reputation for engineering and such. But if you're thinking liberal arts, I'd pick Dartmouth. These two seem to have a lot of cross-admits, so you may get in both or none.</p>

<p>Although I have never visited Dartmouth, Cornell has a big university feel to the campus--which happens to be very beautiful. I think of D as being more or a LAC. Of course, you should give it a shot. Why not apply and always second guess yourself??</p>

<p>I applied to both Cornell and Dartmouth and am certainly hoping to be faced with the difficult decision of which to attend. I have a 2020 SAT (Kinda low, I know) but have 4.5 weighted and 3.99 unweighted (1 B..argh!) bunch of leadership EC's and I'm Hispanic (National Hispanic Scholar too!). So i figure I have an okay shot at both schools.</p>

<p>I've never visited either campuses, but from the pics I've seen I think Cornell looks nicer, but if I get in, we're going on a road trip from FL to determine which school is actually better for me.</p>

<p>My son hated Cornell ("This place is ****ing huge!") but was accepted ED at Dartmouth and couldn't be happier.</p>

<p>Cornell has 13,000 undergrads and another 7,000 grads. Dartmouth has about 4200 undergrads and only a few grads (business school, engineering, med school). MUCH different feel.</p>

<p>Dartmouth is totally a different experience. Much tighter community, much more LACy, stronger alumni network. Personally Dartmouth by a landslide, the personal attention and resources push it on top.</p>

<p>I agree that they are different experiences...but would beg to differ on the tighter community comment and stronger alumni network...both of those are debatable...resources is also very debatable - Cornell's scope is very hard to beat...nevertheless - check them both out for yourself.. different strokes for different folks...I loved going to Cornell but have been to Dartmouth many times...my guess is that I would have found it a little too similar to the New England boarding school I attended before college...I was looking for something bigger and more like the "real world"</p>

<p>I did a 3 week summer program at Cornell and the campus is absolutely beautiful. However, I liked Dartmouth more having visited it in the fall of my junior year and went up again October to stay with a family friend. I haven't spent much time at Dartmouth yet, but I felt like the kids at Dartmouth were a lot more relaxed and laid-back. People seemed friendlier overall. Cornell is beautiful but I've head that students are super competetive sometimes to the point where they won't even share class notes with each other. Apparently there is grade deflation at Cornell too.</p>

<p>Wharf, I think that thinking Cornell has as tight a community as Dartmouth is ridiculous. Size alone makes this impossible.</p>

<p>slipper is big on community. He transferred from columbia for that reason... i think</p>

<p>"I think that thinking Cornell has as tight a community as Dartmouth is ridiculous"</p>

<p>here at Cornell, we all like it pretty segregated ... I dont hang out with anybody and they don't hang out with me. </p>

<p>I guess if you're claim is that Cornell doesn't have as tight of a community means that 13,000 undergrads don't give everybody bear hugs on the way to class, then we don't have as "tight of a community."</p>

<p>"Size alone makes this impossible."
In your world perhaps, I'm seeing different things on the actual Cornell campus ... but I take it you know what you're talking about. </p>

<p>There was a girl on these boards who transfered from Dartmouth to Cornell who agreed that Dartmouth has a nice community ... though she didn't like the fact that it was focused around frat parties and beer so she transfered to Cornell and stated that "everything at Cornell is better."</p>

<p>Slipper's posts have had a very strong history of being anti-Cornell. I would be very careful about any claims he makes about the university and how it doesn't have the strong alumni network like darmouth. It's really stupid to argue a point like this, for how would you prove it? I could easily make the claim that even if only 40% of the Cornell alumni out there cared, this is still more than 100% of the dartmouth alums. Slipper, have you ever made the claim that Dartmouth is one of Cornell's peers? The vast majority of people would agree that this is true, but I have yet to hear/see it from you. </p>

<p>"I've heard that students are super competetive sometimes to the point where they won't even share class notes with each other"</p>

<p>Just an urban myth, I assure you. Ask any Cornell student on the CU board, or you can just take my word for it. In fact, we're often discouraged from going through a class without working with others on an assignment or for sharing notes. I'm not sure if it was a few bad apples that started this myth, but I can assure you it's far from the reality here on campus. </p>

<p>"Apparently there is grade deflation at Cornell too"</p>

<p>I don't think the exact data exists, but take a look at the median grade report that's released ... most classes are either A's or B's, the only tough ones are the intro pre-med type classes.</p>

<p>To the OP, apply to both and try to do an overnight at each school. Talk to lots of people. </p>

<p>For everyone who hated Darmouth (or Cornell) and tranferred out, there is someone who hated somewhere else and tranferred in and loves it. </p>

<p>When people suggest that a smaller school with a tighter community is "better" than a larger school, remember that a big school like Cornell isn't defined by any one type of student or predominate culture. Therefore, anyone can find his or her social and academic niche. So it boils down to what you want and which school would be a better "fit" for you.</p>

<p>Dartmouth without a doubt.</p>

<p>Smaller, more prestigious, far better alumni pool. I recognize my obvious bias, though, as a Dartmouth 08.</p>

<p>I am a Cornell alum, who earlier chose Cornell over Dartmouth, so let me chime into this conversation. I graduated from A&S and went to work for a Bulge Bracket i-bank in NYC. I then went to a Top 5 B-School (Not H or S). Throughout my time on Wall Street I have yet to see the prestige difference that D-Mouth grads like to trump. During on campus recruiting every major i-bank recruited both for full-time and summer interns in pretty much every area of their firms. Similarly, for consulting, BCG, Bain and Booz recruited on campus and McKinsey and Monitor had resume drops after which they invited students to interview at their offices. My incoming analyst class had 8 other Cornell grads, which was probably more than Brown and Dartmouth combined. Many of my former classmates now work at top PE firms, hedge funds, attend top law schools, etc. So, if you are looking for opportunities post-grad, I fail to grasp how Dartmouth beats Cornell. Perhaps there is an alternate universe out there, but it is certainly not on Wall Street. </p>

<p>A popular statistic around this forum has been Cornell's low rank on that infamous WSJ placement report. I would have been very surprised to see us place highly there, because so many of the school's students do not go to Med, Law, or Bus. Architects, Engineers, HumEc, most Hotelies, etc. are really not geared toward these schools. In contrast, D-mouth is much more pre-professional. As an example, despite Cornell's size, last year, it had fewer fewer applicants to top law schools than Yale, which is only slightly larger than D-Mouth. Assuming that Dartmouth's student body is roughly similar in focus to Yale's, then Cornell's placement into Harvard Law relative to Dartmouth (45 vs. 35) implies that the schools are quite comparable. </p>

<p>Cornell does get a lot flak, some of it justifiable, for its high acceptance rate. It is true that the state-sponsored schools are somewhat less selective for NY staters. However, the private divisions, which are the real source of Cornell's reputation, are simply fantastic. A&S and Engineering are just as competitive admission-wise as D-Mouth. Engineering's accepted students had an accepted SAT range of 1380 - 1560 and A&S is usually about 20 points behind. Those numbers are right in range with the other top schools, although Engineering's acceptance rate is artificially inflated because its applicant pool so heavily overlaps with Stanford/Caltech/MIT. Architecture is simply the best in the nation and Hotel, well, I guess it is also the best, but I could never really figure out the reason for its existence. </p>

<p>Dartmouth is a fantastic school, so if you prefer a small college type of environment, then you should definitely go there over Cornell. Cornell is a large research institution with all the advantages/disadvantages that implies. There is an amazingly diverse group of people who go to school there, but there is very little hand holding. It is very much of a fend for yourself environment. I preferred to attend a larger school and did not mind finding my own way, so I made the Cornell choice without hesitation. My wife, who is also a Cornell grad, chose Cornell over Brown for exactly the same reason. </p>

<p>Academically, both schools are excellent, and the question really comes down to preference. For instance, if you are into sciences, then at Cornell you can do research with professors who are at the top of their fields. In contrast, at Dartmouth, while the profs are somewhat less accomplished, they will probably give you more personal attention. Some people choose the latter while some like the former. </p>

<p>Both schools will give you tremendous opportunities, but you can only maximize those opportunities if you do well. Because for every Darmouth/Cornell grad that is doing well, there is another who is sitting at Uconn Law and wondering how he let a golden opportunity slip away.</p>