<p>Dartmouth's alumni loyalty is famous throughout the Northeast--it's certainly true.
However, for Northwestern, it's similar--especially for journalism, business, entertainment, (NUEA--very powerful,) science, communications, etc. Certain NU alumni groups aren't as cohesive, but for the aformentioned, NU's as well-connected as anyone.</p>
<p>isn't NU's undergrad population larger? So it wouldn't necessarily matter how "close knit" the alumni network is, as NU would have more alumni in pure numbers.</p>
<p>isn't NU's undergrad population larger? So it wouldn't necessarily matter how "close knit" the alumni network is, as NU would have more alumni in pure numbers.</p>
<p>True, but if the alumni aren't loyal then it doesn't really matter what the numbers are does it? (Not saying NU has unloyal alumni, just pointing out that quality > quantity in these cases =p)</p>
<p>I would say that Northwestern and Dartmouth are peer institutions. To the OP, visit both schools, and see where you would fit the best.</p>
<p>Lurker, the point Gomestar is making is that the larger the alumni body, the less of an effort one needs to make to meet fellow alums. I live in the UAE. I have run into a dozen Cornell alums and into over 20 Michigan alums by complete accident. Most of us keep in touchon a regular basis. I have yet to run into a Dartmouth or Williams alum. In terms of "loyalty", I'd say that with the exception of universities with horrible campus lives, alums of any university will naturally want to help their fellow alums.</p>
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<p>LOL... you gotta love that 1% that chose Tufts over Harvard.</p>
<p>If you really do truly love both schools equally as far as social life (maybe do an overnight at both to seal the deal?) and academics offered (as far as the quality of the classes, the two will be similar - and if you succeed at either instituion, employers will be equally impressed, I think), what would be the deciding factor for me is where I would like to live for the first few years of my career. </p>
<p>Of course, you could attend Dartmouth and work in the northwest, or vice versa, but if you really strongly see yourself settling down in Chicago, Northwestern might be a practical choice b/c you will have already made connections through internships in the area. Personally, I think connections you've made yourself in the career world, and not through alumni, will be the most successful starting points for you.</p>
<p>In either case they're both great schools ;).</p>
<p>Alexandre, who went to a school with many alumni doesn't understand how powerful the alumni at Dartmouth are. Its totally a different animal, at Dartmouth or Princeton (or Duke, Brown, Williams, Amherst, Yale, Harvard: the group of schools with the tightest alumni), you KNOW the people helping you. Personally, I have a friend in every city (usually a very successful person) and these poeple KNEW of me in college and they're much more likely to help in whatever way possible. My firm is 40% Dartmouth alums, not on purpose, but because we all knew of capable friends and when it came time to interview they rose to the top. THESE JOBS WERE NEVER PUBLISHED!! At big school you are likely to know 40-50 people well, if that, at a place like Dartmouth you know 500-1000 people well enough to call on them.</p>
<p>Dartmouth> Northewestern. Having grown up in Chicago and lived on the Northeast nothing has convinved me otherwise.</p>
<p>If it were up to Alexandre: Dartmouth=Northwestern=Michigan=Wisconsin=Illinois=Indiana=Iowa=Minnesota=Ohio State=Bowling Green=Community College</p>
<p>I see things differently.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is much closer to Harvard than Northwestern. NU is a great school, but Dartmouth is better.</p>
<p>It is silly to think that there will be a measurable difference between these two in respect to your career / grad school placement prospects wherever you decide to go.</p>
<p>NU is slightly more preprofessional. I think NU has an edge with Chicago next door and Evanston being a great safe college town. Sports and Lake location are also nice. Students are friendly. NU gets my vote.</p>
<p>Huh? Slipper, Michigan's alumni are just as powerful and loyal as Dartmouth alumni...only there is roughly 6 times more of us. You underestimate Michigan's alumni.</p>
<p>And you say "If it were up to Alexandre: Dartmouth=Northwestern=Michigan=Wisconsin=Illinois =Indiana=Iowa=Minnesota=Ohio State=Bowling Green=Community College". Thanks for the respectful comment. I love being accused of idiocy and ignorance.</p>
<p>I've lived in Chicago, and still live in the Midwest, and I'd go with Dartmouth over Northwestern without even a slight doubt, even though Michigan smoked Dartmouth in US News' Peer Assessment.</p>
<p>Slipper1234 wrote:
*"Dartmouth is much closer to Harvard than Northwestern."</p>
<p>Physically, yes. </p>
<p>*"NU is a great school, but Dartmouth is better."</p>
<p>At what?</p>
<p>Also, in my opinion, you underestimate Northwestern's alumni in the aforementioned areas. I've had very positive experiences with them.</p>
<p>Alexandre, do 500 people at Michigan know your name? At a place like Dartmouth or Princeton they do, and compund that network effect. You are two degrees of seperation from a thousand people or more. Big schools just don't work like that.</p>
<p>Dartmouth=Northwestern
Northwestern=Michigan
Michigan=Wisconsin
Wisconsin=Illinois
Illionois=Indiana
Indiana=Iowa
Iowa=Minnesota
Minnesota=Ohio State
Ohio State=Bowling Green</p>
<p>Sometimes I feel your logic leads in this direction.</p>
<p>Slipper,</p>
<p>You have made dubious claims and at times even posed false stats before just to "convince" others how Dartmouth is better. Now we have the following:</p>
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<p>Well, look at the very chart you posted.
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html</a>
22% would pick Northwestern over Dartmouth whereas only 7% would pick Dartmouth over Harvard. So who are you kidding? Both have the SAME US News peer assessment score. But if you are talking about location, I'd totally agree.</p>
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<p>How do you measure "success"? You mean your friends in "every city" are usually making lots of money?? I wonder how you manage to come to CC so often while having so many friends to socialize with. I guess Dartmouth alums are indeed having superhuman ability. Anyway, LA has a social club for LGBTs who went to top colleges. In one of the social gatherings, there was this Dartmouth alum standing next to me and we started chatting. He said he was "between jobs". I asked what he did before, and he was very evasive about it. I was pretty turned off. LOL! Looks like he needs some help from one of your "successful" friends here.</p>
<p>Sam, I'm sure there are no unemployed Northwestern alums. Overall, the Dartmouth network is one of the tightest in the US. Its hard to quantify, but its true. I've seen the same of Princeton, Yale, Williams, and a few others.</p>
<p>All I've posted is true. Show me ONE domestic undergraduate ranking, EVER in the last 25 years where northwestern has been ranked higher than Dartmouth.</p>
<p>You must have forgotten Gourman Report.</p>
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Well, look at the very chart you posted.
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...RDT_CHART.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...RDT_CHART.html</a>
22% would pick Northwestern over Dartmouth whereas only 7% would pick Dartmouth over Harvard. So who are you kidding? Both have the SAME US News peer assessment score. But if you are talking about location, I'd totally agree.
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<p>Woah, Sam, let's compare apples to apples, when looking at cross admit yields:</p>
<p>HEAD-TO-HEAD
Those accepted to both Northwestern AND Dartmouth: 78% choose Dartmouth</p>
<p>VS. HARVARD
Those accepted to both Northwestern AND Harvard: 98% choose Harvard
Those accepted to both Dartmouth AND Harvard: 93% choose Harvard</p>
<p>So in summary:
- Far more people choose Dartmouth when facing a choice between Dartmouth and Northwestern (by a significant margin 78%)
- Northwestern only wins a measly 2% of cross admit yields vs. Harvard, wheras Dartmouth's number is nearly 4x greater at 7% vs. Harvard cross admits
- So if you HAD to rely on that data ALONE, Dartmouth IS CLOSER to Harvard than Northwestern - how can you even dispute that?</p>
<p>So WHO is kidding WHOM?</p>
<p>Yea..I guess that's just pure coincidence. You know so many Dartmouth alums and they are all successful and I randomly met one (and only one) of them and he happened to be unemployed and couldn't articulate what he'd done before. No wonder statistics is so important.</p>
<p>The prestige,</p>
<p>You need to read what he said again; he's saying Darmouth is <em>much</em> closer to Harvard. The data simply says Dartmouth isn't close to Harvard and Northwestern is even further from Harvard in terms of cross-admit battle. Dartmouth is closer (yet still far away) but not "much" closer. That applies to Stanford and Yale, NOT Dartmouth.</p>