Dartmouth vs. UC San Diego

Colleges & Universities A-Z Dartmouth College
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<p>If you guys have a problem with the London Times ranking methodology, then I suggest you write them a letter. Or even an email. Or both if you are really that mad.</p>

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<p>I think 1600 should be allowed to stay. At worst he is bringing up the number of Dartmouth posts : ) Its great to have him to unite against.</p>

<p>1600, the thing is grad school rankings apply to grad schools and universities!! London Times is for universities! Dartmouth is a college, and in the most well known college rankings (USNEWS) it has never placed worse than 11, and is 9 right now. UCB is somewhere in mid-twenties wasteland after places like Emory.</p>

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<p>^ LOL! Everyone knows that auto correlation exists with US News rankings that favor East Coast private schools over everyone else. </p>

<p>I see the evidence of a liberal arts strength in your analysis. However, in terms of actual substance and analytical frameworking, as well as interdisciplinary strength in responses, your post fails miserably.</p>

<p>That is why London Times must have ranked Dartmouth 138. But I am sure there are many other smart people at Dartmouth, but they probably are skiing or drinking by the fireplace right now or something.</p>

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<p>California(place desired SAT score here),</p>

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<li>DO you have anyone else to play with? </li>
<li>Is everyone else you know tired of hearing about it?</li>
<li>Do you lie in bed at night wistfully oogoling your autographed picture of Rush Limbaugh, or O'Rielly, with visions of mud-slinging dancing in your head?</li>
<li>Do you feel the need to reform the whole world, or just the Ivy League (because god knows that in the world we live in the most desperate issue is the Ivies not holding up there end of the world prestige game?)</li>
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<p>If you answered yes to any of the questions, seek help elsewhere, because we are not talented enough to help you (we just want to go to Dartmouth).</p>

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<p>Interdisciplinary strength? What do you want me to start coding Java? You are nuts.</p>

<p>Also, the most important learning in a liberal arts education occurs in the ability to apply analytical understanding. That is why most top consulting firms hire so many Dartmouth (and Princeton, Brown, Penn, etc) grads with liberal arts degrees, Ivy grads know how to analyze and deconstruct anything and therefore seem to have great training for business problems. That is also the reason McKinsey hires more Dartmouth than UCB grads. </p>

<p>We are running circles, you want to show how Academic research institutions like UCB outclass places like Dartmouth, and the people on this board are of the opinion that we would rather have focused attention, a great intellectual COMMUNITY, and an undergrad focus. As long as a school is undergrad focused, naturally its grad programs will not be a priority. What is amazing is how much Dartmouth students enjoy their undergraduate focused school, and the amazing success they have with grad school placement. Go to a grad school forum and pick on Dartmouth. I will help you. Trying to disparage an undergrad focused school for its lack of grad programs is ridiculous.</p>

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<p>I'm a CA native from Orange County, CA. Yep, The OC. Since I have friends who are currently students at UCSD, Berkeley, UC Santa Barbara and most of the others, I'd like to relate what they have told me about their UC experiences....and why I have applied RD to Dartmouth and several other Ivy League schools.</p>

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<li>At the UCs, many classes are huge. Very little personal attention.</li>
<li>Many lower level classes are taught by grad students, many of whom have yet to master the english language and cannot pronounce words clearly. Multi-variable Calc is going to be hard enough without fighting to understand what's coming out of the teacher's mouth in a large lecture hall.</li>
<li>There's way too much partying. There are a lot of second-rate students--just look at the SAT spreads--who don't know why they are in college....except to drink, play cards and goof off. The graduation rate at most UCs is miserable because the overall quality of the students is lower, much lower compared to Ivy schools. </li>
<li>Residence Halls are in short supply. After freshman year, there is no guaranteed housing. I might want to live off campus with friends, but I don't want to be pushed out. I'd rather have the choice.</li>
<li>For me, with normal amounts of financial aid, the Ivy League schools are cost competitive with the UCs--about $20,000 a year.</li>
<li>I could go on...but I'll stop for now except to say that my father has met Berkeley professors who discouraged their own kids from applying to Berkeley for the very reasons I've mentioned. I know kids at UCSD who would NEVER go to UCSD if they could do it over again. And don't get me started on UC Santa Cruz.<br></li>
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<p>To close, I'm sure an exceptional student can get a great education at any school...but why load yourself down with the problems intrinsic to mammoth public universities if you don't have to?</p>

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<p>Are you insane? What does that have to do with anything? So the London Times released a college ranking system. Great. So Dartmouth is ranked low. Whatever. The London Times has not made it it's business to go onto the Dartmouth College forum and tell us how much our school sucks. We have already told you that we're not interested in listening to what you have to say. That means we don't want you here, and you have absolutely no reason to stick around this forum.</p>

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<p>whats wrong with skiing and drinking by the fireplace</p>

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<p>Absolutely nothing (especially the skiing part...I'm not much of a drinker). Sounds like a good time to me. All work and no play makes Elizabeth a dull girl.</p>

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<p>Amen to that. Give me the Tower Room and a ski slope any day of the week.</p>

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<p>just for clarification for Cal- that 138th was ranking our grad schools and their reputation/abilities (meaning...what we actually achieve with them/difficulty, etc...</p>

<p>the problem is this- Dartmouth is ranked 138th in the world by one magazine- based on our grad schools....that don't exist. We have a business school (ranked 6th in the nation), a medical school in the top 20...and then an engineering school which even I will grant- is only like 45th, and sure...there are better. The point- because we don't have all the grad programs of other colleges, we don't turn out as much research...WE ARE A LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE- thus....this ranking is ridiculous because it causes those who don't read it properly/with intelligence (Cal) think it is the 'tell all end all.' This is obviously not the case, but rather, that we aren't ranked highly in our overall grad focus because there really isn't one.</p>

<p>As an undergrad institution...we're still pretty hot ;)</p>

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<p>sorry, i didn't see slipper already posted something similar...</p>