Denison Questions

<p>My D is a rising senior and Denison has been mentioned by her HS counselor and swim coach as a place she should look at. We live in the south so the only info we have is from books, the college's website, and CC. It looks and sounds like a fabulous place to attend college! I do have some questions:</p>

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<li><p>Are the swimmers as highly regarded on campus as the press leads one to believe? Are they a partying group or do they focus on training and their academics? My D is a fairly serious type and a hard partying atmosphere would not be a good fit for her. She likes to have fun but drinking is not her thing and some of her friends who swim at other schools are in a crazy atmosphere. We have heard wonderful things about the coach - that kids improve a lot under his direction and a winning tradition is in place. We have also heard that a new natatorium is in the works....</p></li>
<li><p>Do a lot of incoming freshman get a full tuition award or Founders Scholarship? She has a 2200 SAT score, a 4.0 GPA, swims both varsity and club, is in NHS and a couple of other honor societies and holds a few leadership roles at her school in areas outside of academics/athletics. What are her chances of getting some merit aid?</p></li>
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<p>We are planning a visit to Ohio soon to see the school (though it would be fun for my southern belle to see snow:)). My D is looking for a place where she can balance academics, athletics and make great friends. She wants to come out prepared to face the challenges of adult life. Everything I have read makes me thinks that Denison really does prepare you and would be a place to spend four wonderful years. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.</p>

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<li>Swimmers are among the athletic cream of the crop. Top shelf athletes who beat 'em all …except Kenyon. The program is not for the casual lunker. Loads of work, annuallly mountain-top expectations. And there’s a new swim facility on the drawing board, but I’m not aware of the time table. The current natatorium is pretty decent considering it’s an older facility. Not shabby. ( Not much at DU is “shabby.” A really nice campus in an idyllic location atop a beautiful hill in southcentral Ohio. None prettier in the fall with loads of trees.) Ours was a recruited swimmer but chose to play another varsity sport, before realizing that DU is academically more demanding than her HS …and moved on to prepare for her life’s work. Great experience, super friends and roommates, sorority sisters last from that.</li>
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<p>Those points noted, my own impression is that swimmers at DU …like EVERYWHERE … are of necessity, a close knit group, resulting from way too much time spent together. You know that. DU’s no different. However, I get little impression that swimmers …or any other jocks @ DU are any more or less “highly regarded” than let’s say …the Hilltoppers, the bluegrass bands and vocalists, Phi Beta Kappa members, the crew club, Greek members, non-Greeks, etc. I trust you get my point. Reality is that on most campuses, especially in non-profile programs which ALL D III programs are, students pay little attention to athletics beyond their fitness and social tangents for participants and spectators. It just ain’t like it used to be, for better or otherwise. So have no delusions of your dd wearing her letter jacket about campus and having the stud ponies all swooning on the basis of her varsity D. While DU is probably more inclined toward valuing and recognizing athletic endeavors than many/most of the other schools in their conference …they regularly win the trophy for collective athletic prowess in the Conference …its a very demanding academic institution with loads of diverse options. Spectating …unless you’re a buckeye or nittany lion or …just is no big deal on most campuses. STill, swimming, women’s tennis, softball, lacrosse ARE the top of the pyramid at DeniDU.</p>

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<li> VERY good. DU is the lone LAC Tier I school listed in the top 10 colleges and U’s giving the “most merit money to the most students” for the past 3 or 4 years. This is by design, a strategic initiative to attract many good students who’d otherwise be paying $50K or more for the privilege of going to Wake or Lehigh or Carleton or Bucknell or Richmond or a whole bunch of others that at this point, simply have no need to fund yours. So, were I a betting guy, your dd would stand an exceptional opportunity of meriting and receiving genuine and generous scholarship assistance.<br></li>
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<p>It seems in our case, like many, our student was accepted at institutions noted (all of them in fact) with virtually no FA. There are MANY stories like ours. So it often boils down to a struggle of egoes (mostly parents, but students too) about making a trade. Let’s face it …DU is a fabulous place in Granville OH (a gorgeous college town, btw, w/in spitting distance of a major metro area) w/o the reputation or visibility of those I’ve noted and many others. That said, there is nothing 2nd rate about the education, and in fact, because DU is very aggressive in this bus of recruiting outstanding, well-rounded, attractive students, it is clearly a place on the move and to be reckoned with. It’s far from perfect, but a very serious big-time competitor.</p>

<p>To just add on a little to what WP mentioned, if your DD by any chance makes National Merit Finalist she should be a shoo-in for a full tuition scholarship. It’s a beautiful campus nestled in a picturesque town.</p>

<p>Let me summarize my ramble …the image and reality of the BMOC …or BWOC … are fading rapidly into history, Nerds, and Animal House. </p>

<p>Yea, it’s still there, but letter jackets don’t gather the presumed attention of past eras unless Tim Teabow’s wearing it. God bless him! The essence of athletics, especially at places like Denison, is the opportunity to participate and nurture good health and wellness rather than the campus “glory” and macho that once might have been. Doubt there are any groupies outside Big Red locker rooms beyond Ma, Pa and little bro. </p>

<p>However, teams seem to tend to reunite in specific Greek meetings. I’m unaware if swimming as particular frat/sorority loci.</p>

<p>Thanks so much for you insights. My D has never expressed any interest in being in a sorority (though we all know that can change if she meets a group of girls that she becomes friends with and they are in one) and is more the quiet type who focuses on her academics and swimming. She can have a good time and is fun but a party animal she’s not. WP - I smiled at your comment about guys swooning over her because of her letter jacket - so not her style. I may have not phrased my original question clearly - my point was that Denison swimming seems to get a lot more press than most DIII schools. I am more interested in the team dynamics, coaching support and whether they are hard partiers or not.<br>
She is our oldest and the fact she is almost an adult is unbelievable! As we all want for our kids, we want her to go somewhere where she is happy and well-prepared for life after swimming and college. We are looking forward to seeing Denison!</p>

<p>My D just completed her freshman year. I asked her about the women swimmers. She said there is no primary Sorority that swimmers join. In fact, it is her understanding that the coach discourages sorority membership so they can concentrate on their swimming. She also said that swimmers were less likely to “party” for the same reason.</p>

<p>lavender, I would agree that your daughter’s stats put her in line for merit aid, possibly a significant amount. Be sure to inquire about merit aid. I know one scholarship, the Paschal Carter, requires an additional, separate application. Others may too.</p>

<p>SCH …I’d like to think your daughter’s observation about swimmers adhering to their coach’s “no hardy party suggestion” …and she’s there, not me. But I had to wonder if DU’s spectacular swimming team might be the 1st speedoed team to NOT enjoy the frivolous company of their teammates? :confused: :D</p>

<p>Having just gone through the same process this year with our son, a swimmer, you may also want to look at St. Olaf, Kalamazoo, Wooster, and DePauw. All have strong academics and quality swim programs.</p>

<p>Wooster and DePauw (just this summer joined) are in the same conference as Denison. Both fine places. Kzoo is too, but awfully small, imo. St. Olaf is also a fine school. Tons of winter, which I’m not sure matters once one matriculates. Unless …from the South. That could be a real shockeroo, too.</p>

<p>The one that’s not mentioned here that tops them all, even Denison, for its swimming heritage is Kenyon, 40 miles or so up the road in Gambier. Spectacular campus, facilities superb, generally lousy athletics other than swimming (men’s and women’s). Very small, isolated campus. Academically tends to attract those who might also see an Oberlin as attractive. Very different culturally from the others noted here, imo. But the absolute BEST team name …the LORDs! A bit presumptuous perhaps? And not known as as particularly godly place. ;)</p>

<p>Will the person who PMed about NESCAC schools - I tried to respond but received a message that your mailbox is full. I have some questions for you - please delete some old messages and I will try again next week. Thanks for your insights!</p>

<p>Lousy athletics? Could someone please elaborate? My son was/is DI caliber in his sport but back to back injuries junior and senior year have put a crimp on his recruitment. His college counselor enthusiastically recommends Kenyon. Thoughts? This is for mens soccer, btw.</p>

<p>Hmmm. Men’s soccer seems to be one of the teams more consistently in the win column. [Men’s</a> Soccer Results Archive - Denison University](<a href=“Denison University - Official Athletics Website”>Denison University | A top liberal arts college located in Ohio) And you do know you posted in the Denison forum, not Kenyon. Right?</p>

<p>^^Yes, I am aware. I did this because a previous poster had mentioned the poor quality of athletics at Kenyon and even though their post was a few months ago, I was hoping they might see this. In retrospect, I guess I could have (and now will) pm’d them. But do you know if athletics are wholeheartedly supported at Kenyon? My son will likely be a two-sport athlete.</p>

<p>keylyme …see my pm. Kenyon is a really well respected academic place with a wellness fitness center 2nd to none. Competitive athletics are not much central to student life or campus culture.</p>