<p>artmommy,
I can see the humor and entertainment in it but would you consider that so many things in life are becoming forms of “instant gratification”, sound bites and it is kind of sad that things that take a frame of mind and heart and soul that need nurturing and protection and time to grow and develop before they are thrust out into public are waning waning waning</p>
<p>that’s some instant poetry for you
it’s not very good is it</p>
<p>^^Good idea Bears, and while we’re at it let me put in a plug for the Yves Klein show at the Hirshhorn in DC. It won’t be here much longer.</p>
<p>I usually shun the Hirshhorn because it gives me a headache to walk around in circles, but a friend of mine had free tickets to a party there so H and I went. Stupidly, they let tipsy people walk around in the exhibits until 10PM and we got to witness some fool drop something on part of it and then the squad of horrified museum 911 people came to the rescue with their little brushes and dustpans. H took an illicit photo of it on his cellphone in case of a criminal trial… </p>
<p>Anyway, I didn’t know much about Yves Klein and I wasn’t that impressed at the beginning of the exhibit. But it grew on me. These strange films where nude women brushed their bodies with paint and placed themselves against the canvas at his direction while an audience watched and a small orchestra played. Ultramarine blue, hoses of fire, lots of sketchbook excerpts, and his first gallery, which was also his judo studio. Being a Rosicrucian and his untimely death. All good and worth a visit if you can make it before September 12th. </p>
<p>[Hirshhorn</a> Museum and Sculpture Garden](<a href=“http://hirshhorn.si.edu/exhibitions/view.asp?key=19&subkey=252]Hirshhorn”>http://hirshhorn.si.edu/exhibitions/view.asp?key=19&subkey=252)</p>
<p>Hey, perhaps the “accident” at the event was actually performance art…never can tell. I really liked the way the museum police at the Guggenheim in Bilbao acted when twice I saw people wandering in circles in the Richard Serra installation
[url=<a href=“http://www.guggenheim.org/bilbao/collection]Collection[/url”>http://www.guggenheim.org/bilbao/collection]Collection[/url</a>]</p>
<p>get dizzy and sort of stagger out and bump against people and pieces…they smiled, steadied the art-drunk, and said, “dont worry, it happens all the time” (generally in spanish). I thought that perhaps that was part of the experience…the dizziness, bumping into walls and then the run-in with the security people.</p>
<p>hear hear! hugs and kisses to art -mommies in art forum talk trash but visit museums love and support art
I am tipsy now by the way, (bear making)boss just offered me an about an inch of chilled white in the glass with the stem. hi point of my career!!</p>
<p>D2 got a gentle request from a security guard to not lean on the Serra sculpture at the National Gallery back when she was 10 years old or so. A small rusty wall, she thought it was part of the construction going on nearby! “Happens all the time”, said the security guard (same as the Spanish guards). It’s not nearly as interesting as the Bilbao one.</p>
<p>My my we’re getting a bit testy on this thread.
Musicamusica comments “The nature of art itself, as some of us understand it, does not lend itself to a cheesy reality show.”
Oh I see and this is soooooo much better?
“These strange films where nude women brushed their bodies with paint”
Musica comments that it’s not ALL good and that is correct but rather than throwing weight around (and I have some similar credentials as musica just for the record, just a take that’s a bit different) isn’t this the big question around what it’s “good” art, it’s a very subjective thing.
Personally I didn’t have a big problem with the reality show and actually thought some of the pieces were much stronger than I’d imagined they would be. It was a cheesy reality show, you expected something different, a little more highbrow perhaps. Oh my…</p>
<p>Let’s all just remember that we wouldn’t even know who Van Gogh was if it weren’t for the fact that his brother the art dealer began a massive push to recoup some of his losses supporting his ill brother for years after Van Gogh’s death.</p>
<p>And I’m not so convinced that appearing on this cheesy reality show was a bad career move, the path to an art “career” is rapidly changing, of course, there is the question…what is an art “career”, probably not to be answered soon either.</p>
<p>I’m leaning towards ArtMommy on this thread, after years in and around the arts, preciousness is a big turn-off for me. Besides I liked that kids sculpture.</p>
<p>Re my comment and “all good” I’m not questioning whether or not it’s good art, but whether or not it’s a good program or format for dialog. I don’t equate SJ Parker’s motives with Theo Van Gogh’s motives (or results). Oh my indeed.
Throwing my weight around? What ARE you reading into my response?</p>
<p>^you mean running shorts and sneakers and all? or I did hear he made better pieces for finale ( which I still could not see)
smarty my dear, Theo died mere a year after as nutty as his bro.
I am a believer of art fairy, or Petter Cooper, or history, time, place, or Daniel Johnston.
I want to believe vanGogh or Modigliani, Egon Schiele are what they are now because they are just that good anyways. if it was in different place and time could have been meteoric career? or had some way to cure them so they’d have lived longer, including Theo, then may be their works won’t value much? who knows.
real miracle is, all that mess, poverty, troubles artist caused or lived short lives and war and all, their works survived, collected and shown somehow. There got to be fairy.</p>
<p>At MoMA, they moved Andrew Wyeth’s “Christina’s world” out of the room and put on the hall where everyone passes by next to… Ben Shahn’s illustration ( I mean painting)
I felt this gut clenching almost contempt for MoMA people thinking this is exactly the dead old man did not wanted. All these years (more than 70?) people did not take Wyeth seriously because of his family name and is too “illustrate-y” He must have hoped one day, they’d get it even after his death.
I was with Japanese friend and she commented " ah, they must be sick of tourist asking where “Christina” is, I mean every Japanese know this painting"
(I.e. in the government issued grade school art text book)
It means for the curating folks to put one of the most " where is at?" painting and one of the internationally known America’s most cerebrated illustrator’s American urban scene from when America was Most Anerican-ing is quite visitor friendly. this way no one miss them, except back elevator or secret fire escape, this is the only way going up and down.</p>
<p>Wait, what was an augment? anyways, it really does not matter how much you know or don’t know, worked or never created any official art works. You all can say anything, otherwise MoMA won’t survive. (when old trustees die out, all visitor become cheap and go there with free ticket or free time only - EVERY friday evenings, folks, FREE, until Target run out of money or goodwill or both since they already opened controversial store in Harlem, no longer need to kiss city’s butt)</p>
<p>musicamusica
Perhaps I did mis-read your response. It felt a little bit like “well I am an artist and know a lot of artists therefore” so was just pointing out that even artists have subjective tastes and I know a lot of artists who consider themselves quite good and yet I really don’t find their work all that strong. But I hate hate hate the “fine art” preciousness and perhaps I misread a touch of that. If so sorry. As for dialog well of course it isn’t a format for dialog it’s a reality show. But my comment about career paths changing rapidly stands.</p>
<p>By gum Bears you’re right. Not being a big fan or student of Van Gogh’s I’ve never investigated the tale told by an art professor (poorly informed apparently) oh so many years ago. In fact it appears poor Theo did suffer from dementia at the end but from the effect of syphyllis…well I guess that example falls flat on it’s face but my point still stands that what stands as “good” art is a very subjective thing. We can agree perhaps that some known pieces of art regarded as good are such (museum pieces) perhaps but of course the old questions continue…what is good art. If I don’t like it is it bad. If I like it is it good and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>One could even ask if Wyeth’s work belongs in a museum or is it really exceptionally competent illustration and does competent illustration belong next to “fine art”. I think these distinctions are going to disappear more and more. And I happen to like Wyeth’s work, does that make it good?</p>
<p>IT TOTALLY DOES.
howelse every Japanese middleaged (mostly)woman ask to see Christina, then they’d go buy pocketbook form coarch or vuitton? same goes to Norman Rockwell.
go ahead, laugh, I love them admire them, also I have crush on any grandpas but mine.</p>
<p>Well having given into buying an Art Basel Cindy Sherman beach towel from Target (fabulous by the way) a few years ago who am I to criticize the purchase of a handbag with an image by Wyeth.</p>
<p>no no my bad
I meant they’d enjoy visiting MoMA as much as buying those pocketbooks.
In their mind, it is same NY tour “kicK”
or did I miss something? did vuitton made handbag with Christina on it? I won’t be surprized after those Murakami bags. if they did, I might want one. It will be my first pocketbook!!! yay!!!</p>
<p>No I misunderstood you. I guess I can stop searching for Louis Vuitton Wyeth bags now, just wanted to look at them can’t afford them but it wouldn’t be a bad idea would it. Well thanks Bears, now I’ve admitted to the world that I purchased a cheesy art towel from Target (who I am now boycotting by the way but that’s waaaay off thread).</p>
<p>for those who care, coach is in bit of desperation and created character named Poppy-chan.
<a href=“http://www.google.com/images?q=coach+poppy+chan&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=Rzt1TOebCcH38AbosdzFBg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=6&ved=0CEEQsAQwBQ[/url]”>http://www.google.com/images?q=coach+poppy+chan&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=Rzt1TOebCcH38AbosdzFBg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=6&ved=0CEEQsAQwBQ</a>
I have seen products and in my nine lives (how many does bear have?) don’t want any of them.
donno how well they are doing.
For Cindy towel, why not. beach is where you can go all way, strip naked of your inner desire.
WHO doesn’t want to be Cindy?</p>
<p>“As for dialog well of course it isn’t a format for dialog it’s a reality show.”</p>
<p>My point exactly, my reference to dialog refers to artmommys comment:
“I think it (sic) fine to get people talking and thinking about art”</p>
<p>Glad to see this discussion. (insert my happy face here). Bears and Dogs, my daughter did intern with one of the artist in this group. I won’t say which one, but he/she was standing in the Brooklyn Museum in the group of three. This artist is one whom I happen to respect. Yeah Yeah, I agree the reality show thing is cheesy, but I still love to see any artist get ahead and get some support and money. Gives me hope for my kid, whom I think is really hard working and a great kid, like all the kids I read about here.<br>
My daughter just left for school again and I’m really sad so please be kind to me today folks.</p>
<p>Sending some kindness…it’ll be okay…you will be okay and your D will too!
:)</p>
<p>^mommy, that is as much giving away and I knew the winning kid wasn’t the one, and that’s that. doesn’t matter how far he/she made it. you don’t have the bragging right beyond your proud community. 'tis OK winning pot would only pays two years of RISD or one half of Yale MFA.
anyways, I saw episode 9 and the finale, thanks to a friend who get " on demand" thing that works like VCR on TV however it is.
I seldom see TV, never seen realty shows except bit and pieces on MTV or something, it was entertaining, so clich</p>
<p>Brooklyn museum has free day funded by Target every first Sat of the month, but not Sep. -holiday weekend, which I did not know so I donated what I had and went in.
there is no posting in the lobby where the thing is, but I was sort of ashamed to ask, went up anyways. </p>
<p>it was pathetic. almost cruel. NYT bi**h was right on. the stroller parking area was bigger than the room. why couldn’t they put him in the rotunda where there is NOTHING but one video station, which could have used to show the “work of art” non stop for the occasion.
since I got to see the finale, I know why the sculpture’s thumb is missing or wrist is cracked, but had no idea how sloppy the spray painting done. figures’ thigh and ankle got “tan line” where paint did not hit properly. Is it too much to ask to remove clothing and spray on the skin first? I get it, there were strict time limit for the TV bit but for the museum show, please?</p>
<p>there are more people in the gallery per square feet than any other place in the museum, which is nice, publicity worked.
It was heartwarming to hear some woman visitor explaining what it’s all about to the security grandma, who had no idea while just doing her job policing the room.
" so it was on the tee vee? "
" yes, he won big money and this show here"
" so what these animals (figures) made out of?"
" er, I saw some clay he was using. it was white. and wire… then he painted"
" aw, is painted, eh?"</p>
<p>what bothered me is all works are labeled with " courtesy of Magical Elves" I looked up and now know that it is the name of the production company of the show.
It looks dorky on otherwise serious plaques, almost sounding like bad e-mail address you should ditch before college apps, like, “juicyho” “druggies93” sort.
this means the production company has right to all these works? not the kid himself? how is this going to affect auction the euro mentor threw in as bonus award?</p>
<p>Here is the curator’s note - she is the little lady with glasses looked awful out of the place in the finale.
<p>the show title, luminous something ( I missed taking note here-bodies? minds? ) the kid took from the Starwars movie, Yoda’s dialogue.
It ain’t same as Basquiat was a radiant child.
Warhol show is across the rotunda. there were few Warhol/Basquiat pieces shown.
Hey, could he had been interested in the reality show? he sure would, he did a bit TV already back then. he wanted to be famous. thirty years too early.
than again, maybe it was all for the better, since Basquiat did knockout PS1 show on his own merit, which I am sure were far free-er, bigger and better than this bit.
so
dear mommy, I think you are right. your local star would have been able to add lots more glam and color to this world famous Brooklyn museum. besides, I could have used bit of sugar lift from some cotton candy after this.</p>