<p>GS degree is same degree as CC/SEAS degree the same way Harvard Extension is same degree as Harvard College degree and the same way UPenn GS is same as Wharton degree. </p>
<p>Harvard Extension students can take the same class as Harvard College student and all instrutors are approved by Harvard University and can study at the same library. </p>
<p>If GS is same as CC/SEAS, then Harvard Extension should be same as Harvard College, Upenn GS should be same as Wharton.</p>
<p>Wellesely degree and Harvard college degree also should not be " different in character academically" because Wellesly students can take Harvard College courses taught by Harvard professors. </p>
<p>I found it very funny when GS students look down upon Harvard Extension and UPenn students while claiming that GS is same as CC/SEAS. </p>
<p>GS students seriously does not know how they are looked down on by other Columbia students ? I think GS applicants should know this before they apply...</p>
<p>Again, you're wrong. The Harvard Extension School is unlike GS because GS students are fully integrated with the rest of the Columbia University population. Harvard Extension School students do not share the same classes as Harvard College students, even though they may be taught by the same faculty (and this is not always the case, but is always the case with Columbia and GS classes). In other words, Harvard Extension students are segregated from the rest of the student body. The Harvard Extension School also offers 100 online courses to my knowledge Columbia doesnt (I may be wrong). Thus, it makes more sense to say that the GS degree is more similar to a CC/SEAS degree and a Harvard Extension School degree is not like a Harvard College degree.</p>
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<p>Extension students can take 4 courses in Harvard College.</p>
<p>"Special Student Status
Candidates with GPAs of 3.33 or higher who have completed at least 32 credits at the Extension School may, with recommendations from the program director and two instructors, apply for Special Student status, which enables candidates to enroll in two courses per term for one academic year in the Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS). Candidates must meet with the program director before applying. The deadlines are September 1 for spring 2007 and February 2 for fall 2007. Special Students pay the full FAS tuition of $3,786 per course."</p>
<p>ictanti wrote : "The Harvard Extension School is unlike GS because GS students are fully integrated with the rest of the Columbia University population."</p>
<p>This is wrong info. GS is NOT fully integrated For example..</p>
<p>General studies courses are offered at night </p>
<p>General Chem F1404 ( F means genral studies) is at 6:10 pm
General Chem C1404 (C means CC/SEAS) is at 10:35 am </p>
<p>Why do you think Columbia offer two Genaral Chem from GS and CC/SEAS separately ? Why does Columbia has two different version of LitHum. Contemp. Civ. courses ( one for GS the other for CC/SEAS ). </p>
<p>IF Columbia administrators really think that GS and CC/SEAS, then they should make one Genaral Chem, and ONE version of Lit Hum etc...
The existance of GS version of G CHem and/or Lit Hum courses makes GS not integrated with CC/SEAS...</p>
<p>GS and CC/SEAS can cross register, though, exactly the same way as Harvard Extension students cross register at Harvard College. </p>
<p>Genral Studies students are not allowed in CC/SEAS dorms. not allowed in CC/SEAS social activity. not allowed in CC/SEAS alumni activity/networking
not allowed in CC/SEAS job database not allowed in CC/SEAS dining hall etc..</p>
<p>Yellowhair, please learn english before typing. Also a quick look at the Columbia website contradicts all of your posts. As for GS classes only being at night that is (again) completely false. You can choose to take courses at night if you wish but you can also take them during the day with CC students. The only difference between GS and CC is the diploma which is written in english and has general studies on it. What is wrong with you that you have to repeat yourself so blindly? Do you think that repitition makes something true? Where did you go to college? It sounds like you have never even stepped on campus let alone attended the university. Going to the GS school is just using a different entrance into Columbia. Why are you so bitter?</p>
<p>I have to repeat myself again because you did not read my previous post carefully. </p>
<p>Both GS and CC/SEAS offers Genaral Chem. GS courses start with letter F , CC courses start with C. </p>
<p>Why does Columbia offer two separate General Chem if GS and CC/SEAS is fully integrated ? GS student can take C1404 from CC/SEAS instead of G1404 from GS, but this does not mean that GS and CC/SEAS is fully integrated. Wellesely college student can cross register at Harvard and take Harvard courses with harvard students but does that mean the Wellesely students are integrated wth Harvard student?</p>
<p>Harvard extention student can also take Chemistry course at Harvard College instead of Chemistry course at Extension school. THis means Harvard Extension degree is same as Harvard College degree ?</p>
<p>The relationship between Harvard College and Extension school is exactly the same as the relationship between Columbia College and General Studies</p>
<p>I think GS degre IS SAME IS CC/SEAS degree just like Harvard Extension degree is SAME as Harvard College degree.. </p>
<p>If you can not accept that Harvard Extension degree is same as Harvard College degree, we can not accept that GS is same degree as CC/SEAS..</p>
<p>Sweetny007 wrote :: "The only difference between GS and CC is the diploma which is written in english and has general studies on it. "</p>
<p>This is wrong. The diploma is not the only difference.</p>
<p>Genral Studies students are not allowed in CC/SEAS dorms. not allowed in CC/SEAS social activity. not allowed in CC/SEAS alumni activity/networking
not allowed in CC/SEAS job database not allowed in CC/SEAS dining hall etc..</p>
<p>Do you also know that GS students are not allowed to register on Undergraduate Alumni E-community, where only CC/SEAS students are allowed ? GS students are not even invited to Undergradute Alumni Social Events/ Parites ..</p>
<p>"General studies" programs are primarily utilized by universities to create large amounts of additional revenue while simultaneously avoiding watering down their regular degree granting programs - and are marketed in such a way to capitalize upon their (often) prestigious or semi-prestigious names and sometime arguably end up exploiting applicants - who often don't know the difference.</p>
<p>Anyone know of any Harvard Extension "grads" who ended up at Harvard Law or for that matter any major law school?</p>
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<p>Insofar as there aren't any, it's because Harv Ext kids aren't smart enough to get a top score on the LSAT and not because they went to Harv Ext.</p>
<p>Anyone know of any GS grads that ended up at Yale Law, Boalt, MIT (graduate work)? I do.</p>
<p>Please, stop comparing Harvard's Extension School with General Studies. They're different.</p>
<p>Here's what the former dean of The University of Chicago Law School (she did her undergrad at Columbia, so I think it's fair to say that she's familiar with GS) had to say about GS, Harvard Extension School, and getting into law school:</p>
<p>"Hi xxx -- the extension/non-traditional programs are very different at different schools. Harvard's, for example, uses the same professors, but the extension folks are in separate classes. The GS program at Columbia is quite different, as you know, so your performance there is treated as if you were any other Columbia undergrad -- law school admissions officers won't care how hard or not it was to get in; if you distinguish yourself in classes with the other undergrads, that will be rewarded."</p>
<p>Harvard Extension grads have been admitted to every graduate program at Harvard University including Harvard PhD program, Harvard Medical School, Harvard Law School, and Yale Law School, , and Graduate program of every single Ivy League school MIT, stanford ...according to Harvard Extension School web sites..</p>
<p>Extension grads also receive real undergraduate degree from Harvard just like GS</p>
<p>If it weren't 12:56 and I had to be up in just a few hours for a fun-filled day of four courses (from 9am to 7:30pm), I'd offer a far more civilized reply. But instead, I'm exhausted, and will offer this instead: Yellow Hair, you're an idiot.</p>
<p>This is straight from the Columbia website:</p>
<p>"GS is the finest liberal arts college in the country created specifically for students with nontraditional backgrounds who seek a traditional education at an Ivy League university. What makes GS unique is that GS undergraduates are fully mainstreamed into the Columbia undergraduate program. They take the same courses, with the same faculty, and earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates."</p>
<p>"Genral Studies students are not allowed in CC/SEAS dorms. not allowed in CC/SEAS social activity. not allowed in CC/SEAS alumni activity/networking
not allowed in CC/SEAS job database not allowed in CC/SEAS dining hall etc.."</p>
<p>These statments have been contradicted earlier in this thread so I won't bother doing it again. As far as the dorm and dining hall thing though, why would I need to go into someone elses dorm? I would be living off campus in an apartment so dorm access really doesn't matter. If I had a friend I was going to see I am sure they would let me in. Also as far as the dining hall...is there nowhere else to eat in NYC? LOL If I go to GS it would be to receive an excellent education. 18 year olds can mock me all they want. ;)</p>
<p>"Genral Studies students are not allowed in CC/SEAS dorms"</p>
<p>What I tried to say is that GS students can not live in a undergraduate dorm. Only CC/SEAS students can live in a dorm. A lot of social activity and academic events are held inside of the undergraduate dorm. CC/SEAS is a residential collge and GS is not a residential college. University does not even accept dorm application from GS student even if he/she attends full time.</p>
<p>I have to repeat myself again here. Columbia GS students can earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates just like the Harvard Extension undergraduate students earn the same degree as other Harvard university undergraduates. </p>
<p>The following is what Harvard web site says
"Harvard Extension School is one of the 12 degree-granting schools at Harvard University: Business, Dental Medicine, Design, Divinity, Education, Extension, Government, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Harvard College, Law, Medicine, and Public Health. Of these 12 schools, only Harvard College and Harvard Extension School offer undergraduate degrees. See Our History for more information"</p>
<p>Harvard extension school students can take Harvard College courses and they are both evaluated the same way. They both use same textbook, take same exams, same homeworks etc... </p>
<p>I just want to say the Columbia GS degree is same as CC/SEAS degree just like Harvard Extension degree is same as Harvard College degree. </p>
<p>UPenn GS students also earn the same degree as all other UPenn undergraduates: Upenn GS is same degree as Wharton degree... UPenn GS students can take courses at Wharton with wharton students. </p>
<p>I never said that Columbia GS is not a real Columbia undergraduate degree.</p>
<p>Actually anybody can be accepted to Harvard's extension program. That is one major difference. This is from Harvard's website:</p>
<p>"Can anyone take an Extension School course?</p>
<p>Yes. The Extension School has an open enrollment policy, which means that anyone can take Extension School courses. Our classes are open to students with diverse backgrounds and academic experiences. The only general requirement is a commitment to your own potential and a willingness to meet the academic challenges. For prerequisites, see individual course descriptions. Students must formally apply to Extension School degree and certificate programs."</p>
<p>"How are Extension School degree programs different from traditional Harvard degree programs?</p>
<p>Extension School degree programs are designed for the adult student offering flexibility and value. Courses are held at night, and students have the option to attend full or part time. Admission is based heavily on the student’s perfomance in three or four designated Harvard Extension School courses taken before application. Although designed for the nontraditional student, courses are rigorous. Sixty percent of Harvard Extension School instructors are Harvard University affiliates (professors, administrators, or teaching fellows)."</p>
<p>Nowhere do they claim that a Harvard extension degree is the same as a regular Harvard degree or that you take the same curriculum.</p>
<p>The Extension program is not equal to the GS program at Columbia.</p>
<p>"Actually anybody can be accepted to Harvard's extension program. That is one major difference."</p>
<p>Yes, anyone can take Harvard Extension courses but admisstion to Harvard Extension "degree" program does NOT accept anyone. I agree that Harvard extension students are not same as Harvard College student. </p>
<p>However, Extension students in 'degree' program can take Harvard College courses and therefore Extension degree is same as Harvard College degree. </p>
<p>Harvard Extension courses are held at night but can take day course at Harvard College.</p>
<p>Columbia GS courses are held at night too, but GS students can take day-course at CC. For example General Chem F1403 offered from GS is held at night and General Chem C1403 from CC is held during the day. GS students can take either F1403 or C1403. Harvard Extension school can take General Chem offered from Extension school at night or General Chem course offered from Harvard College during the day....</p>
<p>Columbia GS is equivalent to Harvard Extension.</p>
<p>Yes. ALM graduates are Harvard alumni and alumnae, and the program of study is in every way as challenging as that of graduate degree programs in other Harvard schools.</p>