Thanks, everyone, lots of food for thought. @TKOparnet, thanks for describing your son’s story; that is helpful. Your son sounds like a wonderful and remarkable young man! Happy to say that we’ve already scheduled Denison for a spring break visit along with Kenyon (probaly too reachy and rura) and Wooster (probably a safety, but maybe a safety she could love). @mamaedefamilia, I have always loved what I’ve read about St.Olaf, and I think my D might like it too, but it’s just too far geographically. Ideally, my D would like to be no more than four or five hours from home, (she’d really prefer two!) We’d stretch that for the right school but Minnesota would be quite a haul. We don’t live anywhere near an airport, either.
D won’t be a STEM student …that could actually be an asset for admissions to a school like Case Western but I think it’s too urban for her tastes. A tiny college town up to a small city or suburb of a larger city could work as long as the campus itself is green and buccolic. She wants a LAC of 2000-3000 students but I think she could stretch to a school of 6000 or so. Our flagship is just too enormous (but she’ll apply) and the other State schools aren’t great fits for various reason I’ll not detail here.
@ucbalumnus, her admissions selectivity level is a little hard to determine now because she has very lopsided scores. 4.0/4.45 GPA in the highest rigor track in an average public high school. Struggles a bit with math/chem/physics but has kept up with her STEM peers and makes all A’s by sheer work ethic. A strong reader. First SAT with about a month’s light prep: 780ERW and 620 M. Is trying the ACT this weekend and will retake SAT in March. I’ll be happy if she can get math scores up 40-60 points and call it a day. Solid but normal-kid ECs. Future major undecided but not heavy STEM. So, a solid LAC/ small university in the 30-60-ish ranking range with a welcoming social fit and a nice campus is our goal. She’s an only child to put though college and we’ve funded a college savings plan since she was a baby, Low COL area, no debt and no mortgage so no real financial concerns (merit would be nice, not absolutely necessary). I don’t want to identify our precise area, and since we’re not dependent on state schools that’s not really necessary.
Dickinson is actually the school I meant when I said there is one school she likes that doesn’t have a very strong Greek presence. It’s a match. Actually, I’d be surprised if she didn’t get admitted, so in that sense it might be a safety especially if math scores come up a little. I’d be thrilled if she attends. I think she’d like more choices though.
The school that has dazzled her most at the moment is Lafayette. It has a sizeable Greek presence, though possibly not a dominating or exclusionary one. I’ve heard it said here on CC that students can find their social place easily at Lafayette if either a STEM student, an athlete or Greek, non of which describes my daughter. There could be some other ways for her to join in (she’s a band kid, former ballet dancer and has had some riding lessons in the past (Lafayette has an equestrian club that doesn’t require prior skill, some informal dance goups and music ensembles) but I’ve heard about the STEM/sports/Greek makeup of Lafayette alot on CC and i think it’s worth looking into how inclusive these groups are or are not.
She also likes Franklin & Marshall (that was the school with the student protests, which she now feels confused about) and, to a lesser extend, Gettysburg. They both are known for their Greek life. It was, in fact, a fraternity party at F&M in which brothers were sporting coolie hats, and derogatory racial notes left on the dorm door of an Asian girls’s room that sparked off the protests. I don’t know if the notes were related in any way to a fraternity, however.
@Empireapple, I think everyone has preconceptions about just about everything…but awareness of them is key and that’s why I’m asking questions. I’m quite open to the possibility that my preconceptions are wrong (in fact, I hope they are!) But sometimes there’s a grain of truth to these things.
Another thread was detailing how rush in some schools can be quite exhausting and devastating, how some sororities rate girls’ attractivness as part of criteria for who gets in, and some seem to need prior personal connections and references which make getting into them difficult for some girls who did not grow up in the region of the school. I also grew up (eons ago) in the deep South (with ancestors who fought for the Confederacy) so I have THAT version of Greek life stuck in my head, as inaccurate to Greek life today and in other regions it may be. So I don’t think it’s a great leap for the mother of a daughter who is a POC to simply ask the question. By their very nature, sororities are groups of young women that would be looking for sisters that they can easily identify with. I’m sympathetic to that, even if I don’t especially like it. Rush probably doesn’t lend itself to getting to know people on a very deep level before decisions re made. Human nature being what it is, people tend to seek a quick sense of famlliarity in forming social sub-groups and…let’s be honest… even if there is no overt, deliberate, conscious racism, POC students COULD have an additional social hurdle to get into some groups that are predominately white because sororities, by their very nature are exclusionary groups, even if they don’t mean to be unkind. Please open YOUR mind to the possiblity that you have some preconceptions of your own about how easy it is to find one’s place as a POC who looks one way on the outside and another on the inside. I’d bet a million dollars your D never had experiences growing up where she was told by other kids “you’re not American, you CAN’T be a REAL American” or had boys yell out obscene racial taunts from a bus window as she walked by on her first weeks of high school (yes, even in her protected little town). Yes, my D is strong and got over it, and has long-standing friendships, but things like that do register in your character somewhere, and for her it comes out as a shyness and a hesitancy in unknown situations. I didn’t say my D is especially socially confident and adept in that way that can instantly dissolve boundaries at a party. I just said she’s normal and mainstream and not awkward. She’s not quirky in that way that celebrates arty/quirky. She is more of an introvert (a friendly intovert, to be sure, who loves fitting into group activites). She’s the kind of girl whose finest qualities show up over time in quiet loyaly and conscientiousness and non-showy dedication to whatever friendships and groups she’s in. I don’t know that those are qualities that would make her sparkle at rush parties, and if her race is an additional limiting factor, better to be somewhat prepared now or consider that in her selection of colleges.
I’ve written a book here, and my apologies if it’s hard to get through. Thanks to all who have contributed and gotten this far!