<p>Yulsie,</p>
<p>I definitely hear where you are coming from . But lets take a step back for a moment and think about the questions our 17 year olds are posting on the CC. They ask I want to get in to I-Banking, Foreign Exchange, go to a good business school (Wharton), make a lot of money and want to know if attending Ivy or Elite U will increase my chance of getting there. Other questions are who comes to recruit at Ivy/Elite U and where to student send up working. Since they already know that they need a few years of work experience under the belt before attending the good MBA program, it seems like the choice of college has simply become the place that opens doors for them in the job market. The report also states the following about students upon graduating from Dartmouth:</p>
<p>Location</p>
<p>As has been the case in previous years, the Mid-Atlantic was the most popular geographical area for
those planning employment in the fall. Approximately 30% of graduates were moving to jobs in the Mid-Atlantic region, and 82% of those were in New York City (down from 98% in 2002). New England was almost as popular, garnering 22% of those planning employment. More of the New England jobs were located in Boston in 2003, 43% compared to 31% in 2002. One student in ten was headed to a foreign country for employment, 12% were headed to the West Coast (a two-fold increase from last year) and 12% to the South (an increase of seven percentage points from 2002).</p>
<p>Job type</p>
<p>Those with jobs lined up by the time of graduation seemed to have increased in 2003, but an omission in the survey question used to capture this information makes exact comparisons difficult.1
Although the areas of business and education remained the two most popular fields for Dartmouth
graduates in 2003, the next three of the top five fields this year changed from previous years. Research, social services, and the arts and entertainment fields moved up in popularity while positions in law and computing/engineering moved down. </p>
<p>[ul]
[li]Business the most popular field for the past three years, was selected by a smaller proportion of students than in previous years (22% in 2003, 33% in 2002, 30% in 2001).</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Education the second most popular field for graduates in 2003 was selected by 12%, similar to the 12% in 2002 but higher than the 7% in 2001.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]Those graduates entering a research field the third most popular field for 2003 reached a three-year high this year at 9% (versus 7% in 2002 and 3% in 2001) and moved from fourth most popular in 2002 and below the top five in 2001. </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Moving up to fourth, social services jobs were taken by 6% in 2003 compared to 4% in 2002 and 1% in 2001. </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Arts/Entertainments/Media the fifth most popular field in 2003 with its first time on the top five list also enjoyed a steady increase to 6%, up from 4% in 2002 and only 1% in 2001.[/li][/ul]</p>
<p>Job Types by Gender</p>
<p>[ul]
[<em>] Business 58 % men 32 % women
[</em>] Education 19 % men 30 % women
[<em>] Research 20 % men 17 % women
[</em>] Social Service 13 % men 12 % women
[<em>] Arts 9 % men 16 % women
[</em>] Law 9 % men 15 % women
[<em>] Computing/engineering 12 % men 5 % women
[</em>] Government 11 % men 5 % women
[<em>] Marketing/media relations 5 % men 8 % women
[</em>]Sports 10% men 2 % women
[<em>]Agriculture/environmental 6% men 2% women
[</em>]Other 4% men 3% women
[/ul]</p>
<p>Salaries</p>
<p>[ul]
[li]The mean salary for graduates with jobs in 2003 was $38,305, over a range of $10,000-$85,000. </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Overall, men received higher starting salariesthe average male salary was $41,172 (range: $10,000-$85,000) versus the female average of $35,358 (range: $10,000-$80,000). </p>[/li]
<p>[<em>]As in previous years, this disparity is influenced by the types of jobs men and women took upon graduation. More men entered into higher paying fields such as business and computer science/engineering, thus increasing the total average salary for all men. When taking into account job type, there was generally no significant difference between male and female salaries.
[</em>]In fact, in some fields (such as computing/engineering and education) the average salary of female 2003 graduates was higher than that of their male counterparts.
[/ul]</p>
<p>National Salary Comparisons</p>
<p>According to the Fall 2003 National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE) annual survey of college graduate starting salaries, the average salaries of 2003 Dartmouth graduates continue to be
generally above the national norms.</p>
<p>[ul]
[li] Graduating economics majors (n=33) at Dartmouth were offered[/li]21% more than the national average for economics majors. </p>
<p>[li]Additionally, Dartmouth Mathematicsmajors (n=6) received 6% more than the national average for mathematics majors. </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Dartmouth graduates also compared favorably with their national counterparts in the area of humanities and social sciences (sociology majors 40% more (n=7), </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Government/political science majors 29% more (n=14)</p>[/li]
<p>[li]History majors 22% more (n=10), psychology majors 21% more (n=19) </p>[/li]
<p>[li] English majors 5% more (n=13)). </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Students graduating from Dartmouth in 2003 with science degrees[/li]however, did not fare as well as their classmates majoring in other disciplines. </p>
<p>[li]The national average for biology (n=11) and chemistry (n=8) majors was 8 and 21% higher than was the average for 2003[/li]Dartmouth graduates majoring in these respective fields.</p>
<p>[/ul]</p>