Do i have a chance at all :(

Applying to College
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be honest i will

i have a Soph/Jr cum of 3.4
and an overall cum of 3.2
i took the slightly more rigorous schedule of AP euro sophmore year, AP Bio, Eng, and US Jr year and sprinkled honors here and there

GO to college prep High Schol where local colleges including UCLA give students from my school a 2-3 GPA consideration

Recieved a 4 on the Euro
i took AP eng today probably got a 4^
take AP US Friday
Take AP Bio Monday

i have A’s in all AP’s except Bio

PSAT predicted score of 1950-2150

EC’s: lettered in football, and Tennis, Played Basketball, Honor roll, Amnesty international, and 100 hours of community service

I don’t know if its important anymore but i am African American

And i’m breaking down my college choices into definites (cal Poly, CC’s, SDSU)
Maybes (lower UC’s, Pepperdine, Gonzaga, Point Loma, UCSB)
And the Impossibles just because i may be that special case (Columbia, Georgetown and Cornell)

so what do u think should i save my money

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<p>bumpity bumpity</p>

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<p>Can you tell me what your score is based on the old scale. That would help a lot. based on gpa, rigorous high school, and EC's I'd say:</p>

<p>match: UCR, UCSC, SDSU
Reach: Pepperdine, Gonzaga, Cal Poly, UCSB
Super Reach: Columbia, Georgetown, Cornell</p>

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<p>You should read this, perfect timing.</p>

<p><a href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/02/MNGI8CILKU1.DTL%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/02/MNGI8CILKU1.DTL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>UC system struggles to attract minorities
Tanya Schevitz, Chronicle Staff Writer</p>

<p>Monday, May 2, 2005</p>

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<p>Ramine Cromartie-Thornton is just the kind of student that UC Berkeley Chancellor Robert Birgeneau wants to attract to his campus to increase ethnic diversity: She is African American, has a grade point average of about 4.2, a 1310 SAT score and plans to major in engineering. </p>

<p>But eight other universities want her, too, including Harvard, Stanford, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Duke and the University of Pennsylvania. In the end, UC Berkeley wasn't even in her top three. </p>

<p>Cromartie-Thornton chose Stanford. And while many of California's high- achieving students who are accepted to UC opt for elite private schools, even higher proportions of the state's top African American, Latino and American Indian students do so -- and in increasing numbers, according to a 2003 report by UC. </p>

<p>That tendency, and the relatively small pool of qualified non-Asian minority students for Berkeley to draw from, is a trend that prompted Birgeneau to call recently for research on refining UC admissions standards and finding the best ways to create a more multicultural campus at Berkeley. </p>

<p>snip(but interesting to read)
In the future, UC Berkeley will get some outside help from Stiles Hall, a community service organization in Berkeley that focuses on mentoring minority students. It announced last month that it will use $1 million in anonymous donations to help increase African American enrollment at UC Berkeley. </p>

<p>This year for the first time, Stiles Hall invited 50 high achieving black seniors to visit the Berkeley campus for three days to "give them a sense that there is new leadership at Cal and that this is a welcoming place," said Stiles Hall director David Stark. But about half of the students declined the invitation because they had already decided to go somewhere else or they were asked to visit another campus at the same time. </p>

<p>Stark said the key to getting more minorities at UC is increasing the pool of qualified applicants. Of 24,100 black students expected to graduate from California high schools this year, Stark said, 1,500 met UC eligibility, and of those only 375 can match the competition for admission to UC Berkeley and UCLA. </p>

<p>"We are never going to get anywhere if we just focus on this very small pool," said Stark, whose organization is starting intensive mentoring of students beginning in elementary school.</p>

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<p>african american? with ur stats, YOU ARE IN! :)</p>

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<p>agreed, those stats are above average for a URM and your chances are good</p>

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<p>GPA is kinda low, so you might want to raise that to around 3.6ish for your reaches, but the URM factor is a good hook</p>

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<p>am i the only one who feels that this is a form of discrimination? I think everybody should have an equal shot at a good education, regardless of race.</p>

<p>It saddens me to see that any other white kid or asian kid with a 4.2 and a 1310 SAT would still have a rather hard time competing for acceptance to harvard or stanford, yet an african american student gets RECRUITED based solely on his/her race. This is discrimination, reverse discrimination in my eyes. </p>

<p>It's also almost an insult to African Americans. Its almost as if the Harvard and Stanford people are saying "Hey 4.2 and 1310 SAT is decent if your white or asian. But hey, if your black, thats pretty amazing! We want you at our school!" </p>

<p>It's just not right. And many of you will argue that minorities like african americans are discouraged because of the public school systems available to poverty striken communities. However, many many of the Asian Americans that thrive in the educational system grew up in poverty striken families and bad areas as well, however, they don't see that favorable recruitment african americans do.</p>

<p>It's not an equal opportunity game, I mean i would be crushed if i had applied to Stanford with a 4.3 and 1400 somwething SAT, and didn't get admitted because i was white and lost my spot to so and so with lower stats but got accepted soleley on the color of so and so's skin.</p>

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<p>yea sure it may be sighty racist but does it even start to compensate?</p>

<p>but i really don't care i just wanna get into the best colege i possiby can</p>

<p>So u guys think i have a chance to get into the minority hungry UC's huh?</p>

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<p>lol, I'm one of the african americans not considering berkeley (cmc sounds good though) but I find it hard to believe that in california only 375 african americans match UC admission standards.....am I just naive or does this seem like a really really low estimate? and even only 24,000 african americans graduating....whats goin on out there in cali?</p>

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<p>It's certainly racist, but it's racist for the right reasons. It's trying to pull up minority groups onto the level of whites and asians. How did asians overtake whites for highest average salary? Through education. Thus, AA, in theory, is a solution.</p>

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<p>i agree i don't think im in that 375 but i hope i sti get in</p>

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<p>Giants this is true, Asians became what they are today through education.</p>

<p>However, ask yourself this, did schools ever give Asians the competitive advantage like they are doing to day with blacks? </p>

<p>The answer is No, first generation Asian immigrants, in the 70's, even 60's, and certainly rapidly in the 80's, came to this country with nothing. Receiving no favorable recruitment, scholarships, handicapps, whatever you want to call it, they fought their way EQUALLY just like any other human being to earn their spots at the great schools like Harvard, Stanford, Etc......just like any white kid had to. Schools back then, even when Asians weren't a huge impact on schools, did not favorably admit asian kids over white kids, they had to hit the books and study just as hard as a white kid did to get their acceptance. And now that we have 3rd generation american born asians, we are beginning to see the hard work of those original asian immigrants pay off, however the key is the asians did it on their own without any racial help. </p>

<p>I would love to see this happen with all minorities. I would love the top colleges in the country to have students of all colors. Hey, i'll be going to Cal Poly as a Architecture major next year, and everytime i have visited that school everybody seemed white! Then there were the few asian here and there. The school would seem a lot better if their were more african americans and latinos walking around campus i agree.</p>

<p>But to do this i feel that we should no way shape or form take away from another students (white, asian) right to earn their equal, respective, admittance to a school in turn for some racially motivated admittance to a person of a another color. Yes it would be great to see the turnaround success the asians had with all minorities, but the difference is the asians did this naturally, on their own, without some unfair, discriminatory admit system that they are trying to do today. </p>

<p>I've seen kids dedicate their entire high school lives, staying in on weekends, getting no sleep studying for exams, putting in several hours of community service, in order to get a shot at a school like Harvard or Stanford. It wouldn't be right to take that shot away from that kid (assuming he or she is white or asian) in order to let some other student, less qualified, obtain acceptance through race. </p>

<p>I still say let the best man (or woman) win. Don't take away my shot at my school for race issues.</p>

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<p>Well, let's try not to hijak this thread anymore than we have, so I'll try to wrap it up. basically, i think AA is both racist and unfair, but it seems like a good way to even the racial socioeconic platform. Asians did rise up the ladder through hard work in school, but it also takes a lot of luck in this country(see: homeless people with full-time jobs). I'm also a student at cal poly, and all i see are white people. 70% white, 20% asian, 10% everyone else. These are leaders of the future, and they're all white/asian. Not good. I'm also assuming you don't mean that asians originally immigrated to the US in the 1970's. Anyway, that's all I got.</p>

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<p>did you people read that article ??</p>

<p>It has nothing to do with people being qualified URM or not. You have a situation where people in this case URMS are qualified get into UCB and a college like HYPSM and they decide to go to HYPMS and UCB gets shafted because they have 209 and cant have go into a wearker pool. So basically all the top students get taken by HYPMS whats wrong with that. Its a supply/demand thing.(hence programs for SAT prep to make qualified applicants)</p>

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<p>Giants i agree its not good that our school is predominantly white with asian but what can i say? Every student at Cal Poly deserves their place at this great school because they earned it through hard work. It is wrong that we have a low representation of blacks and latinos at our school but it would be more wrong to deny a student (white or asian) access to cal poly who is very well qualified but loses his or her slot to a lesser minority student. What can you do? It sucks both ways but i think the best policy is just giving everyone an equal chance. </p>

<p>Think of it this way. College sports. The extreme opposite. Blacks are the majority, and Asians are the minority. It would be nice to see more asians in athletics right? There is a misrepresentation of asians on college sports teams. But why? Because on average asians just aren't as qualified to play sports in college. Yes it sucks, and i'm sure it sends a negative message to all the little asian kids out there who dream of playing sports one day, but what can you do? Do you think colleges would ever give handicapps to asian people because they are the athletic minority and give them preference over blacks? No Way. Imagine Stanford denying admission to their school and athletic program to some prosperous black track star to some lesser qualified asian track athlete in order to diversify their racial representation on their sports teams. People would be enraged, college athletic hopefuls would be enraged, and sport fanatics would be enraged.</p>

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<p>Man... that's depressing. AA sucks so much I don't know why anyone does anything about it. Obviously African-Americans are happy about it. Out of 50 of my asian friends and friends of asian decent, I found out that none of them support it. What does this show... RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. YEA THAT'S RIGHT. RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. It basically hurts both the races that get an advantage through AA and also the ones that don't get in. Let me explain. It harms African-American (I'm using them as an example because they so often are discussed in AA issues) because people might think that the truely qualified African-Americans got in because of a handicap-measure. And on the other side, it harms the non-AA applicants because they simply don't have an even shot because of the color of their skin. YES... I'm an ASIAN and I have a BIAS only because I use COMMON SENSE.</p>

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<p>you said cum.</p>

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<p>Also... the NAACP supports equality and affirmative action. Doesn't it seems like an oxymoron? I think it does. I'm not attacking a specific race when I talk about African-Americans, but rather the ideals of AA. Anyway, it just doesn't make sense. It's like asking for advantages just because the past is a certain way. And if this is the argument that supporters take (which it often is), I, as an Asian, had no impact on your current "suppressed" conditions.</p>

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<p>WOW can we please get back to the main subject.</p>