<p>What about me? please.</p>
<p>89.652 GPA/class rank top 40%
1970 both times on SAT. 2050 if you combine the highest. and 1350 math/reading composite</p>
<p>SAT II's: Bio - 620 and Math II i havent taken yet, but will</p>
<p>took most honors, and 5 AP's</p>
<p>4 years of tennis, 3 of marching band - pit section leader, 3 of men's choir, 4 of environmental club -- co president, a couple of other clubs for one year...</p>
<p>i'm gonna do NROTC too</p>
<p>No, unless you have huge endowment status. I doubt even URM status will get a top 40% student into Stanford. The ECs are not enough to accept a student who is way below-par academically.</p>
<p>Unless you have some other extremely oustanding things going for you, then I'm sorry but you don't have a chance.</p>
<p>ouch. haha...all right</p>
<p>thanks guys</p>
<p>You never know. The only way you won't get in for sure is if you don't apply. Stanford may see something in you that isn't showing up on a quick list of your assets. A good essay can make you.</p>
<p>That's not true, moose. It can tip you, but it can't get you in. If you don't have any explanation for the academics (which are sub-par for Stanford), the essay will definitely not get you in. This is particularly true of Stanford, which places a huge emphasis on intellectual vitality and academic strength. Even if this student writes an excellent essay, it wouldn't be the essay, it would be the context the essay gives the application. Unless there really is something that justifies that, there is almost no way, even with a great essay.</p>
<p>I agree with your first point though: You'll never know if you don't apply.</p>
<p>my gpa is better, little better to the same scores but I have better ecs so good luck! If you are URM you'll have a better shot.</p>
<p>Baelor is wrong. The 25th precentile SAT score for Stanford is 1360. So there are a good number of admitted students who have relatively low SAT scores. Your gpa is also low, but if you write a great essay and prove to the admisssion officers that you are worthy of an acceptance letter, then you might have a shot. But remember, even for students with 1600 SATs and perfect grades, Stanford is not a shoo-in. Like Moosemoose said, the only way to not get in for sure is to not apply.</p>
<p>Albathon is totally wrong. The 25th percentile SAT score is 1360, corresponding to a 2040 on the 2400 scale. In other words, 70 points (not an insignificant number) above the OP's score.</p>
<p>Let's use facts to support my position: <a href="http://admission.stanford.edu/pdf/stanford_preview.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://admission.stanford.edu/pdf/stanford_preview.pdf</a></p>
<p>Percent of applicants admitted who are NOT in top 20% of class: 2.
Percent of applicants admitted who have GPAs below 3.7: 4.</p>
<p>In all three areas, the acceptance rate for students with scores between 600-699 is 8-9%. For students with scores in a given section below 600, the rate is 3-4%.</p>
<p>No, you're right, this person has a GREAT chance of getting in, you know. My school has a close relationship with Stanford, and through that and rep visits I know two things - One, Stanford wants intellectual and academic strength, something the OP does not have compared to the applicant pool. Second, it wants intellectual vitality and passion, something that I haven't seen in the OP's post at all. There is no question that he is below-par academically.</p>
<p>However, Stanford also values people who have overcome challenges, and the admissions office is trying to get more students who have had difficult situations that they worked around. If the OP has had one of these, then he has a chance. If not, there is no way.</p>
<p>Look at it this way: The applicants with lower grades and SAT scores include what demographics, exactly? Recruited athletes certainly factor in, as do those mentioned in the above paragraph. Which leaves...basically no room for normal people with sub-par academics.</p>
<p>The essays are seriously on CC. Unless, you know, the twenty+ people at my school with the highest GPAs (coincidentally, they all got in) also HAPPENED to be all the best writers. Unless your essay justifies your grades and scores, then I still think that there is NO chance. You might try portraying yourself as a great person to be around, that might help. But you are basically shut out because of your academics.</p>
<p>Again, to the doubters: Look at the numbers. Most of that incredibly small number of admitted kids have had big circumstances justifying them.</p>
<p>If you want to apply and prove me wrong, I encourage you to do so. But right now, I see nothing other than a vague and categorically untrue "Essays can get you in!" as reason to believe you have a shot.</p>
<p>I said that nominal "might have a shot." I did not say s/he had a great change, or even a good chance of getting in. But, there is no way to tell just by SAT scores and GPA percentiles.</p>
<p>Right, and I acknowledged that as well. But unless the OP has extra circumstances that would justify the lack of EC intellectual vitality and the low SAT and grades, or has circumstances like being very wealthy, there is no chance.</p>