<p>How do you guys think some quite selective colleges will see it if an international applicant from a non-English speaking country scores well in SAT I Math section and in three Subject Test - say over 700 in each - but does less well in the language parts, where the score would be between 500 and 600? TOEFL, however, could have gone pretty well, say around 270 points (computer based).</p>
<p>I know that MIT, for example, allows international applicants to omit the SAT I and take the TOEFL instead, if their native language isn't English. Other schools like Stanford make no difference between domestic and overseas applicants, so they will probably want to see over 650 CR and Writing anyways, right?</p>
<p>While I do believe that colleges take into consideration that you are international, you have to keep in mind that there are lots of international students with stellar SAT scores...</p>
<p>In my case I scored 720 in Critical Reading and 117 in iBT. However my score is 610 in Math. I am a senior taking calculus. I am not interested in majoring in math, physics, engineering at all. Would they be impressed with my scores ? After all I dominate two language, English and my native one. What would they think ? Would it not be as valid, or something ?</p>
<p>I'm an international applicant, and an award-winning english-language playwright in my own country. Scored 800 for CR, 670 M and 620W/ 740W the first time. </p>
<p>cuRRent: I wouldn't consider Singapore a non-English speaking country though. (Been there too many times & took the exams in Nanyang Tech.)</p>
<p>Well, I would think the universities that have ESL programs for internationals are the ones more forgiving about lower CR and W scores so you might want to look at those.</p>
<p>I know lots of Singaporeans who've taken SAT II lit, it's essentially standard for arts-streamers.</p>
<p>I've noticed that their results DO correlate with their lit abilities. Quite a few complain about results that are lower than expected, which is understandable since most (90%+) would have aced their lit A-levels, but the SATs are theoretically suppose to differentiate students more clearly; a 660 IIRC is still 80+ percentile. Furthermore, since the SAT II lit is in English, I don't see how the derived grade could be 'suspect', speaking British English should not have an effect on your understanding of the questions.</p>
<p>On another note, I'm interested to know what award you received.</p>
<p>Regarding the basic premise of the thread, I don't see why colleges will have to maintain a second standard for international students. You are, after all, going to college to attend the same classes as Americans, studying the same examinations, etc. Why should you take a different standardised test for admissions?</p>
<p>well in my opinion u shouldnt even apply to selective places if u cant score above 600 in the CR section... i have seen kids who are fluent in english but cant even manage to get 500 in the CR so that means to do well in the CR you need to be smart just like for the Math section...the only reason we internationals do so well in the math sections is because Americans high schools follow such low standard math curriculums</p>
<p>Yeah, it is true about Math. Calculus is mandatory in Russian school, and the state Math exam is all about Calculus basically.
Do not really worry about CR. I also have ****ty Reading score on ACT- 26, while<br>
I have Math-33 and English-32. If you show a good reading score on TOEFL (say, 27 on the IBT), colleges will probably forgive you. It's obvious that we internationals can't read and find the gist as fast as the native speakers.</p>
<p>I totally disagree about internationals not being able to read as good as native speakers...i know loads of intels who have gotten scores above 700 in CR...I myself got 680...there are many americans who cant even manage to score half of that even though they are "native speakers"</p>
<p>I am applying for graduate school in the US, and it turns out that 3 of the 5 schools I applied to have disqualified my application on grounds that I lack a TOEFL score. I thought it was understood that Singapore uses Queen's English as both the administrative language and medium of instruction for all levels of education.</p>