<p>I recently got deferred and so did many of my asain friends (actually the case is quite different since my friends and I are all internationals from a highly competitive country-Korea) So, do you guys really think that being an Asian is disadvantageous? If so, never thought of it being unfair? </p>
<p>I might just be one disappointed asian who got deferred....but still I want to hear what you guys think!!!</p>
<p>There are many articles for you to read and console yourself with. Among them:
[The</a> Ivy League’s Asian problem - The Daily Californian](<a href=“http://www.dailycal.org/2013/02/11/the-ivy-leagues-asian-problem]The”>The Ivy League's Asian problem)
[Discrimination</a> against Asian American students in Ivy League admissions by Kathleen Geier | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly](<a href=“http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_12/discrimination_against_asian_a041954.php]Discrimination”>http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_12/discrimination_against_asian_a041954.php)
[Do</a> colleges redline Asian-Americans? - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/02/08/do_colleges_redline_asian_americans/]Do”>http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/02/08/do_colleges_redline_asian_americans/)
[Ivy</a> League Discriminates Against Asians - Business Insider](<a href=“http://www.businessinsider.com/ivy-league-discriminates-against-asians-2012-12]Ivy”>Ivy League Discriminates Against Asians)
<a href=“Magazine | Hyphen Magazine”>Magazine | Hyphen Magazine;
<p>If you really think that it is a problem, can’t you just mark “I prefer not to say” under race/ethnicity in the common app?</p>
<p>@kontiki some peoples first or last names give it away</p>
<p>or location, if you are an intl student from asia what else would you be 99% of the time?</p>
<p>It’s really because the Ivy league Presidents wanna protect the interests of their tribemates</p>
<p>Welcome to the white student’s world. Yes, I have heard repeatedly from my Asian friend (a mom) how this or that school is already at their max for Asians, but the same could be said for other ethnic groups. More and more it is just coming down to the numbers and who has the numbers that stand out. The diversity advantage is diminishing in some areas it appears.</p>
<p>Agreed, momom77. Asians and non Jewish Whites are getting the bad end of the stick.</p>
<p>All international applicants face the toughest odds, especially with the great Fin Aid that Harvard offers. Your scenario should not be mixed with the perceived anti Asian bias against US asian applicants.</p>
<p>No international applicant should enter applying to HYP with any expectation of accept. All top schools have a quota for international admits. Applicants from Korea, India/Pakistan and China are at all time highs. Thus, they face the highest odds, bar none.</p>
<p>Your “unhook” is not that you’re Asian. Your “unhook” is because you don’t have US citizenship or permanent residence and are applying from a country that is innundating top US colleges with qualified applicants.</p>
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<p>What are you saying here? You think that Jewish white students are given some admissions advantage compared to Gentile/Muslim white students? The whole concept of “holistic admissions” was developed in the early 20th century to keep Jewish students out of the ivy leagues when their numbers were increasing too quickly based on more objective admissions data. It worked too as the number of such students plummeted right after holistic admissions began.</p>
<p>""Your “unhook” is not that you’re Asian. Your “unhook” is because you don’t have US citizenship or permanent residence and are applying from a country that is inundating top US colleges with qualified applicants. “”</p>
<p>It would seem that a good solution would be for those countries with so many qualified students to develop their own universities and provide them to their citizens. Of course this takes time and commitment, but there are so many qualified students applying and eventually graduating, the talent is there. </p>
<p>Just wondering, do other top universities around the world offer free tuition and fees to everyone in the world like many of the Ivy League schools? I wonder, could my kids get a free top notch private education in another country? Perhaps we should have researched that before applying HYP (which we will pay for).</p>
<p>I don’t know if I would call it an “Unhook”, but I would agree that is does not help exactly. I read somewhere that a asain person has to score 400 points higher than a black person on the SATs to have the same chance. I doubt it is actually that big of a difference, but I believe there is something to that statement.</p>
<p>But really what can you do. It does suck, but asain people are definitely on average the most qualified. In no way do I mean this in a offensive way, but Harvard would not be as great if it was more lopsided in terms of ethnicity.</p>
<p>Good luck to you in your college endeavors! You never really know what happened, perhaps you got an essay reader in a bad mood or something stupid like that. Try your luck at other schools, I am sure they would be happy to have you and you would be happy there.</p>
<p>Bendhustla: You’re mingling two separate issues: 1) quotas on international applicants and 2) supposed anti-Asian bias against US Asian applicants.</p>
<p>The OP is from SKorea – for schools like HYPS, etc, odds are terrible for all internationals.</p>
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<p>You do realize the entire concept of legacy was spawned to stop Jews getting in, right? If anything, it’s Asians, then Jews, then other whites in terms of difficulty getting in.</p>
<p>@Terrafin “It would seem that a good solution would be for those countries with so many qualified students to develop their own universities and provide them to their citizens.” </p>
<p>Hmm…I disagree. There already are many amazing schools established in countries like Korea, India and China. The problem lies in rapidly changing societal values given to those schools, as much more prestige are given to schools like HYPS. With youth unemployment and competition rising, parents and younger generations from those countries are forced to look to degrees from more well-known “prestigious” colleges.</p>
<p>@Happyppah, if those countries provide excellent, free university education to their citizens, I guess you are saying that the population does not find those schools to be “prestigious” enough? So, the kids need to apply to private universities around the world to gain more prestige? The same issue exists in the US too. Hence, the extreme desire of so Americans many to get in to so few US top schools. </p>
<p>I just think it is unrealistic for the OP, from Korea (or any other country) to think so many foreign students should gain admission to top universities from the USA, and , in many cases, expect that they should attend for free (with financial aid). I am doubly surprised by this if you are correct that those countries offer their citizens excellent (comparable) universities in their own country.
It would never occur to me that my kid should be admitted to a top school in India, China, or Korea, over a citizen from one of those countries - even though my kid has the stats, grades etc. And if admitted, I would be shocked if a university in China, India or Korea offered to foot the bill. I really doubt that EVER happens. Anyone know?</p>
<p>In my country, it’s free to attend universities and it doesn’t matter where you’re from. Everyone takes one exam and they go to universities based on their rank. Even though we learn very challenging stuff here, our universities are usually not globally recognized. That’s why we apply to colleges abroad.</p>
<p>Ok I think being Asian is not an unhook. The fastest growing percentage in top private colleges are Asians. Yes, an international Asian from the east will have stellar grades and SAT scores, which are now stereotypically expected. However, many of my friends (I’m talking the Asian ones) have been accepted to ivies without stellar grades/etc.</p>
<p>One question: I know there’s a disadvantage for international applicants. But what if I am a Canadian international who has been in the US for 13 years? Really…if colleges want to give fin aid to an academically and EC competitive international, wouldn’t they want to give it to a resident who has been paying American taxes for 13 years? It’s not chucking money out of the country…but they can still list fin aid to international on their quota and stats</p>
<p>@Terrafin I never said those schools were free but regardless, I was trying to point out that this whole desire for prestigious American colleges isn’t as simple as you think. Its solution isn’t merely building prestigious schools in those countries. I don’t think the OP was trying to say that many international applicants should gain admission; s/he was wondering if Asians are discriminated in the admission process. I agree with your stance regarding the international applicant admission rate, though. There definitely should be predilection for citizens of the country a college is in.</p>
<p>@Terrafin If you come to Norway you have the right to receive federal loans and grants as well as a free university education, whether you are American, Kenyan or Taiwanese…</p>