<p>Did you just use the fact that transfers don’t participate in research to argue that they’re not lazy?</p>
<p>I apologize if I totally misinterpreted that, but it’s getting late and I’ve been staring at Mastering Physics for a while. </p>
<p>^^ I now have learned how to repost… Thanks kmazaa :D</p>
<p>kmazza, I’m confused. Which “side” are you on?</p>
<p>Most transfers choose community college vs. UCB, because of financial reasons. I think education is the same everywhere. It’s a matter of personal responsibility and discipline. I took the same amount of classes while in CC and had the same books for bio, chem and ochem classes. I got my **** done, straight A’s and actually know my **** since I have the opportunity to talk to my professors everyday (personalized attention)!! </p>
<p>so, when I transferred to Berkeley, I didn’t finish my 2nd semester of physics. I can say that the competition in Berkeley is definitely harder, but I managed to stay on tops of things and currently ranked 20 out of 180 in my class. What else can you say about CC transfer kids now?</p>
<p>I’m also taking IB 131 right now and ranked top 5% of the class. What now?
FYI: last year’s university medal winner was a transfer student. 4.0 gpa. just google josh biddle!</p>
<p>It would be hard for me to properly take sides since I did not attend a California High School. I also am unsure what to think about even quality California High Schools. Some of the quality CHS I have been around tend to have higher grade inflation and rampant cheating going on. I also witness CHS students in CCC’s. I have found that there are indeed very intelligent students in a CCC as in the UC’s. A CCC does have an open door policy while a UC has an admission process so that would naturally lead to a higher number of intelligent students in the UC system. Although with the grading schemes over the last decade, I am just as skeptical of CHS students gaining entry to UCB as I am with some transfer students. </p>
<p>I don’t know which is worse though and IMO tend to reflect badly on the UCB college community. The elitist attitude of Freshman admits or the defensive attitude of transfers. I know personally that i have studied hard and never cheated on an exam. I cannot say the same thing from what I’ve seen from many California students in general.</p>
<p>Another issue that I have seen over the last ten years is the participation of CCC students. I have seen more students joining clubs and student government yet have seen a drastic decline in actual participation in shared governance. What I have witnessed in contrast to a decade ago, is a higher number of minorities joining student government and clubs yet find they sit around a lot nor have been very effective. I know that UCB looks favorable on such participation but find with many of these students it is disingenuous and a facade. That is not to demean those students who actually care and actually did something but the general trend is there. My feelings on the matter is that many merely participated only to put it on their PS. </p>
<p>As a UCB student mentioned, maybe I was just naive. I actually participated to learn about the California education system and make a difference in peoples lives. It was not part of my upbringing to be disingenuous or dishonest. I sacrificed my free time to help out people with physical and learning disabilities that I felt were truly under-served. I would not say all my classes were easy or hard but I did seek out quality instructors that would challenge me. I find it strange that any serious student would put down another students choice of classes or major but I suppose that is more common today.</p>
<p>The median for CC transfer is like 3.45-3.75(4point scale). Wow the numbers really explain everything. It just shows how inferior those kids are in general.</p>
<p>If they didn’t have second shot at berkeley, they wouldn’t get in obviously. Most do **** in high school obviously.
This kid I know from high school got a 3.0 back in high school(total dumbasss), then got a 3.7 at CC(what a joke)and now claiming he has a decent shot at Berkeley. This just cracks me up (lol) whenever I think about this.</p>
<p>We all know CC transfers are inferior. There’s no doubt about it.</p>
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Sure, and most Cal freshmen choose UCB vs. Harvard because of their disdain of elitism.</p>
<p>I would have chosen Cal over Harvard for financial reasons and because we have a better EE/CS department. I was waitlisted there, but there wasn’t really a point in going there when they aren’t as strong as Cal.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I would’ve chosen MIT over Cal in a heartbeat.</p>
<p>As for choosing CCC over UCB for financial reasons, if you have full Financial Aid you should be able to get out after 4 years (assuming you do work study) with about $12 to $15 *10^3 in loans.</p>
<p>With full financial aid, you should come out with $0 debt at UCB… (assuming you also get a job or two). During the worst of the financial crises, I got close to full FA… and it was enough to cover all my school related expenses. At that time, I was averaging about $800-900/month with 2.5 jobs (legally you can only work 20 hours/week, but they don’t enforce it). [for those who are wondering… 0.5 of a job means on/off not very stable]</p>
<p>And apparently, as I learned from this thread:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1031569-best-place-jack-off-campus.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1031569-best-place-jack-off-campus.html</a></p>
<p>You can earn an additional $200/week by jerking off, if you’re a guy =___=</p>
<p>StarryNights, you don’t have to be a jerk off to make $$. You can also earn $750 per “head” as a sperm pimp.</p>
<p>^^ I find that kinda offensive. But okay. If that floats your boat and pays your bills, I’m cool with your choices…</p>
<p>^^^Do you have to do it yourself or can you have the nurse assist/do it for you while you lay down?</p>
<p>^^^^ There are male nurses you know…</p>
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<p>Let me stop you right there. Physics 7C is not a weeder…but Physics 7B is, and a notorious one at that.</p>
<p>That’s actually another part of the problem - that there is no ‘official’ list of weeders published by the administration. The list of weeders is only compiled by students who found out the hard way. Berkeley never admits that certain classes are weeders, even though all of the older students know they are. </p>
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<p>Fair enough. Then let’s take the other option: allow all freshman-admits, such as yourself, skip weeders by taking the corresponding coursework at community college - the exact same coursework that transfer students utilize to skip weeders. What’s fair is fair - if transfer students are allowed to skip weeders, then so should the freshman admits.</p>
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So, which classes are weeders and how many does a freshman have to take?</p>
<p>there’s no weeders at berkeley lol. it’s exaggerated how difficult the lower-div science classes are. if you’re in the top 50% of a class you’re guaranteed some form of a B.</p>
<p>^^although i don’t completely disagree with that…there is still a disproportionate amount of work/effort needed in the “weeder” classes to achieve that grade when compared with community college classes.</p>
<p>^^isn’t that true of most classes, whether they’re considered “weeder” or not?</p>
<p>^^that’s a great point and it exemplifies the underlying theme behind sub-par community college transfer students: community college classes are not equal to university (UC Berkeley) classes and should not count equally.</p>
<p>“Let me stop you right there. Physics 7C is not a weeder…but Physics 7B is, and a notorious one at that.”
How does that work? Are 7A and 7B curved similarly? I would have assumed 7C would be about the same. Though I did get a significantly worse grade in 7B than 7A, and I already knew E&M but not mechanics…</p>