Does anyone else feel like majority of transfer students here are grossly subpar??

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>Oh yeah that’s believable. I reported you btw hopefully that actually does something =)</p>

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<p>^^ ROFL~~ Surfing I & II… xD</p>

<p>Let’s not use kmazza’s stats as representative of transfer students to UCB as he probably has no chance of getting in…</p>

<p>Btw, what Berkeley stats are you looking for?</p>

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<p>Actually I was accepted to UCB but declined their offer and am ok with that decision. </p>

<p>Surfing I and II was taken at SMC, which is one of three schools to offer university level transferable surfing classes in the US. The normal requirement for PE is two units. I was very impressed and highly enjoyed. For $186 over the course of 18 weeks I had a great teacher, two pro Malibu surfers, and access to suits and boards before I bought my own. We also went on a 4 day surfing trip.</p>

<p>I find your comment interesting since flutter seems to fit the student description in relation to the point of this thread. I don’t know the person so can only go by what she has stated here and her overall attitude to education.</p>

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<p>hahaha love how you edited that post there kmazza. sounds much better now.</p>

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<p>So, please do tell us your experience at MHVS instead of confirming the meaning of my posts. I’m sincerely interested if that matters at all to you.</p>

<p>""My high school was supposed to be really hard, but was nothing compared to Berkeley lol.</p>

<p>So far I have posted articles, newsletters, and statistics to back up what I’m saying yet only receive insults in return.</p>

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<p>I believe flutter’s point was that:</p>

<p>My HS was harder than my CC
Berkeley is harder than HS
Thus Berkeley harder than CC by the transitive property…</p>

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<p>I love how whenever someone disagrees with a poster, the first thing they do is look for degrading material their previous posts, showing that they are not intelligent enough to come up with a strong counterargument for the poster.</p>

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<p>Thanks Starry. </p>

<p>So I’m curious how other UCB view this attitude…is it common at Berkeley these days?</p>

<p>"Trying to push up a 3.7 but it’s hard. I think maintaining a 4.0 in one of my majors (Econ) is a better goal. "</p>

<p>“last midterm of the semester tomorrow… but I am on CC and Facebook and just watched House and am now watching Gossip Girl.”</p>

<p>"I took 4 and it sucked - really long/boring reading assigments from people in the 1700s that I’m pretty sure nobody actually read. "</p>

<p>"Yeah, it was really easy to get an A in that class. " referring to a UCB class the person looked up for the purpose of being easy in the first place. Seems to be a common theme for this person. </p>

<p>“I know the guy teaching Chemistry of Cooking lol. try that maybe”</p>

<p>“my bf bought call of duty mw2 this summer and we probably played like 3 hours a day all summer :/”</p>

<p>"and then i waited a semester to take 3b with him haha "</p>

<p>“Yeah, Chem 3BL was pretty terrible. You actually have to go to office hours for that class to get any of the questions completely right (I never went and would not recommend that).”</p>

<p>“I wouldn’t even have minded memorizing a lot if it was for something I thought would be useful. The second part of the class was full of memorizing things like species/class/order names for fish and insects and recognizing body parts of worms and clams??”</p>

<p>“IB 35 AC (Human Biological Variation) - more of a science class than a writing class. Lecture topics were really broad but interesting enough. I got around average on both midterms but ended up with an A.”</p>

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<p>lol thanks starrynights, yes that is what I meant.</p>

<p>MV was much harder than De Anza, but I did well there anyway and was expecting Berkeley to be at the same level as MV. Found out after a semester here that it is actually even harder and I’m having to study a lot more than I did in high school.</p>

<p>Anyway, I don’t think anyone in this thread is going to be convinced to feel any differently about this topic than we do now. I don’t necessarily think individual transfers are subpar, but I do believe that it is unfair for transfers and freshmen admits to be getting the exact same end result.</p>

<p>And um wow just saw your recent post kmazza. Glad my 1000+ posts were so interesting to you! haha actually playing Call of Duty with my bf right now if you’d like to add that to your list :)</p>

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<p>a bachelors degree? I’m sorry but you come across as a shallow person</p>

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<p>Honestly, I would argue with you about the topics you posted if I thought that you were someone worth arguing with. After reading some of your posts and seeing the limited extent of your “education” (if you can call it that), I’m quite content with my belief that you are either naive, want to derail the thread, or are incapable of understanding the topic. But in the end, I think that your opinion is irrelevant to the discussion and not worth **my **time. </p>

<p>Hopefully for your sake, someone on this board feels differently and doesn’t mind wasting time or energy explaining things to you.</p>

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<p>why the hell not? if someone wants to give a dissenting opinion, that’s fine. But if information is available about the source (with a 10 second search), they should be scrutinized so the people reading it know whether the source is an intelligent individual who understands academia or someone who’s taken a laughable course load and preaches about the system without even taking an elementary calculus class.</p>

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<p>@kmazza</p>

<p>Oh no I’m so sorry, I guess I should have tried harder to impress you.</p>

<p>I didn’t start this thread, why don’t you go pick on someone else now? Or disappear. That would be a better option.</p>

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<p>Call of Duty!</p>

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<p>haha yes! do you have black ops?</p>

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<p>sigh~ =___= Apparently girl friends as well now…</p>

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<p>Well I find this thread interesting. By the looks of it, the OP may have been on to something. If any intelligent UCB students or others would care to chime in, I’m curious to other peoples views on this issue. So far today, most of what I have seen if I’m not mistaken qualifies for ad homimen and strawman and other fallacies. To me this only has brought support to my position and disposition in relation to what I have posted. Of course I could be wrong and wouldn’t mind some well thought out stimulating feedback on the topic. I will began by re-posting statistical data that has been refuted to be incorrect yet with a lack of a counter convincing argument. If I’m correct I believe that puts the burden of proof on the person making such a refutation.</p>

<p>According to UCB’s Undergrad Success and Progress Rate which monitors matriculation:</p>

<p>The % of First Time Freshman’s to graduate in 4 years was 91%</p>

<p>The % of First Time Freshman to graduate in 6 years was 92%</p>

<p>The % of First Time Transfers to graduate in 2 years was 81%</p>

<p>The % of First Time Transfers to graduate in 4 years was 92%</p>

<p>Conclusion: First Time Freshman at UCB graduated with a 10% higher matriculation rate than Transfers within 4 years worth of study.</p>

<p>Freshman and Transfers that needed 2 extra years each to graduate are statistically even</p>

<p>2008-9 Average time to complete degree
First Time Freshman: 4 years or 7.99 enrolled semesters
New Transfers: 2.2 years or 4.4 enrolled semesters</p>

<p>Conclusion: Transfers took on average about the equivalent of roughly 7 weeks longer than Freshman to graduate</p>

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<p>You just said</p>

<p>“re-posting statistical data that has been refuted to be incorrect yet with a lack of a counter convincing argument”</p>

<p>that is all.</p>

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<p>correctomundo.</p>

<p>I have also stated that academic standards of California high schools vs California Community Colleges can be difficult to discern. Both systems are under the umbrella of the K-14. In 1979 Foothill College wanted to break away from that to be its own JC system. That was an issue that arose after the passing of Prop 13. If they had done that it would have went against their mission and goals. I did find that standards in general were higher at Foothill. What I have witnessed over the past decade is many good teachers have left. One of their complaints was students whined a lot about having to do actual quality work to earn a decent grade. I feel the loss is a real shame. </p>

<p>I then posted articles pointing to possible reasons why this decline in academic standards may be occurring. At the same time standards have been dropping the overall GPA of mediocre students has risen. I wanted to see if there may be a correlation between the two. </p>

<p>The other theme of the articles I posted was in relation to the drop in empathy which I believe has a positive correlation to the rise in narcissism since 2000. Since I don’t watch TV and after 9/11 there was a off the chart increase in TV viewing I thought their may be some inference to be made from such a proposition. I am hesitant to jump to conclusion nor is my position to slam TV viewers or people that play video games. In those studies were found that students have been putting in less hours studying.</p>

<p>The positions are that technology has made people lazier or that technology has made gathering information more efficient. The problem with option 2 is that word processors and access to large information databases, especially in Santa Clara County has existed for nearly 3 decades. I can understand the argument for between 1961 -1981 with having to go use a card catalog and actually stroll the library but in the 1980’s any citizen with a library card, a computer, and a phone could easily have telneted into the county library system. Also just because access to information has improved, or better yet become more widespread, there has not been a correlation in the improvement of the quality of general or in depth research. In fact for nearly a decade, many students have used wikipedia and Google hits in many papers over the very expensive databases provided specifically for student use when writing a paper. I feel these same students are going on to research institutions such as Berkeley yet may not have developed the proper research or critical thinking skills therefore leading to unprepared transfers. I’m also very skeptical of the intent of going to a research institution just to put the schools name on ones resume without actually participating.</p>

<p>UCB also did a statistic reflecting that transfers tend to engage less in research and collaborative projects with researchers than freshman admits. There are three theories for this. Either they are going into easier majors that don’t require as much research. They are attending just for the name when may have been better served at a CSU. Or they have more obligations since are generally a bit older. What UCB does not bring up is they may just be lazy and don’t care and would rather watch TV and play video games over being grateful attending a quality research institution.</p>

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<p>Did you just use the fact that transfers don’t participate in research to argue that they’re not lazy?</p>

<p>I apologize if I totally misinterpreted that, but it’s getting late and I’ve been staring at Mastering Physics for a while.</p>

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<p>No worries, I will simplify</p>

<p>Propositions of why transfer students have a low participation rate in collaborative research</p>

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<li>That more transfers go into whatever easy major they can get into just for the UCB name. This could be separate propositions I realize. The fact is more transfers tend to apply for what I think that they think are easier majors.</li>
<li>That more transfers have more obligations i.e. work, taking care of parents.</li>
<li>That more transfers don’t know how to or the value of research</li>
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<p>or what i think…
4. That transfers don’t know they are in a research institution and just don’t care and/or have developed poor study habits. This seems to be one of the major complaints from Freshman and OOS students. I am certainly not saying that about all transfers and am sure there are some freshman admits that got lucky getting in attending a easy California high school. That is the other side of this issue which I find interesting that is similar to what I’ve mentioned and in relation to the articles I posted.</p>