Does anyone else find Haas decisions ridiculous?

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<p>Nobody is disputing that Haas professors get paid more. It is a well known fact that business school profs are among the most highly paid professors of any university. Generally, only law and medical school professors are paid more, on average. </p>

<p>The question is whether that should fact should necessarily affect the admissions numbers for Haas. Like I said, Haas has numerous other revenue streams that other departments could never dream of having, and I’m sure those streams will easily cover the extra professor salaries, and then some.</p>

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<p>You need to get your numbers right before you start posting and embarrassing yourself. And even if you couldn’t get the numbers right, you could have at least read through the thread and found what sunfish pointed out. The fact is, for the people who have finished their pre-reqs, the admission rate is around 24%. That 6% includes applicants who should have known they would be automatically rejected from the process and should have waited to apply after they finish their pre-reqs. It’s not that the selection process is incredibly difficult, but that the applicants are incredibly clueless.</p>

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<p>Uh, neither is getting into Haas as a freshman-admit. However, you have to jump through more hoops to get into Haas as a freshman-admit.</p>

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<p>This isn’t just about you bashing Haas transfers. For example, how you falsely claimed that biology major transfers have 55% admission rates (<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/684551-uc-new-admission-policy-6.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/684551-uc-new-admission-policy-6.html&lt;/a&gt;) when official data shows it 41% and whatnot.</p>

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<p>So you decided to post in this thread that I started a year ago to tell me that a number I posted recently doesn’t match up with official documents, even though it doesn’t change the point I was making at all? Also, in the process of doing this, you decided to completely misinterpret the data for Haas admissions and make a downright inane argument? Okay, then.</p>

<p>To be completely honest, I’ve seen that flyer many times. I believe the 2004, 2005, or 2006 edition had admission rates for biological sciences majors at 56%. I remember reading that and the fact that Conservation and Resource Studies admitted around 80% of the students. However, since I can’t find a copy of any of those editions, I have no basis at all. So fair enough, to satisfy your ego and desperate need to be right, I misquoted the numbers.</p>

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I didn’t bump the thread. I admit I failed to read the thread, but I wasn’t the one that bumped it. savannathompson was the bumper</p>

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<p>[University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/default.aspx]University”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/default.aspx)
Check this out,
according to this, students from transfer and freshmen have similar grades in Berkeley, 3.2Xish</p>

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<p>i love your points!</p>

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<p>I love your post. It’s helpful and reasonable!!</p>

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<p>Yeah, well, the problem is that the transfer students get to skip over many of the weeders, which tend to be lower-division courses, for the purposes of calculating their Berkeley GPA’s (which only count courses you took at Berkeley). My GPA would have been higher if I didn’t have to count my weeders. </p>

<p>Hence, the fact that transfers and freshmen-admits have similar GPA’s is actually strong evidence in favor of the fact that the freshmen admits are better. Even clearer evidence would be if we only compared upper-division GPA’s between transfers and freshmen-admits, as that would be a truly fair comparison. But Berkeley (perhaps intentionally?) does not make that information available.</p>

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<p>stop complaining… if a transfer cannot get in hass, they can’t get in berkeley.
if a student in berkeley can’t get in hass, they can go to econ, which is not that bad.
many ppl I know choose to put econ in the app because they are fear of the 7% admission rate</p>

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<p>It’s not 7%… for the last time… it’s 24%
Eligible people. Aka, you actually bothered to take the pre-reqs poeple.</p>

<p>Also, it’s not 50% of current student.
Plenty of continuing students don’t even bother to apply when they have lower than a 3.7 GPA. Plenty of my friends who came in as a business major switched to another major because they got Bs on their pre-reqs.</p>

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Umm, yea, but that applies to transfers too.</p>

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<p>Well… considering that only 402/1462 bothered to complete their pre-reqs…
I’m not so sure “that applies to transfers too”</p>

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<p>Not completing prereqs and doing badly in prereqs are much different things.</p>

<p>Also for transfers if they get Bs in a couple of the prereqs and they apply anyways they are risking Berkeley altogether, whereas a freshman admit there is no such risk.</p>

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<p>You fail to make logical sense.</p>

<p>Your Claim:
You’re claiming that people risk more and are thus more dedicated because they’re transfers.
Because freshmen don’t face that risk, they are less dedicated.
Because transfers are more dedicated hence they are more qualified.</p>

<p>My Counter Claim:
Transfers fail to complete their prereqs because they are not dedicated.
Thus, even according to your logic, transfers are not more qualified.</p>

<p>My Claim:
Continuing students who do apply are already the cream of the pack because they did well in the weeder classes and their pre-reqs.
Thus, they are more qualified as a whole because only the best apply.
Of the best, only 50% gets in.
Hence the 50% admissions rate is deceiving.</p>

<p>I don’t see how my claim does not fail to refute your claim…
And I fail to see how your counter claims refute my claims?</p>

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I am not talking about dedication, I don’t know where you are getting dedication from. On a side note, no one really knows why Haas transfer applicants don’t meet their requirements, it could very well have something to do with CCs reliability at offering their required courses or with CC advisors falsely leading their students to thinking IGETC cuts it for Haas (when it doesn’t)</p>

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The prereqs for Haas are basically just breadth and other GEs plus Econ 1, Math, and Stat. Transfers are required to complete UGBA 10 in Berkeley. If you hunt down the easier breadth classes (which isn’t that hard), and don’t **** up, you are pretty much good to go. </p>

<p>I am sorry but anyone who calls the seven course-breadth, weeder courses is out of their mind.</p>

<p>The “best” continuing students will apply to Haas, knowing that if they fail they can go into similar majors like Econ/EEP/PEIS/etc.
Only the “best of the best” transfers will apply because they are literally going in all-or-nothing</p>

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I never said breadth courses were weeder classes. Please stop misquoting.</p>

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And how is applying to other colleges different from having a “fallback” major? In fact, one could say that it’s easier as a transfer student because they can just apply to other business programs while continuing Cal students are stuck here with a major that (perhaps) they don’t like (definitely not their first choice).</p>

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Their grades don’t exactly matter do they? (Since they are already accepted before enroolling)</p>

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And that is why people give up on business? Right.
It has nothing to do with breadth (GPA booster classes), but the core weeder classes. Just take a look at the UGBA 10 class. There’s about 500 people enrolled per semester. That amounts to 1000 per year. Assuming only 80% of the people are intended business majors, that’s still 800 people seriously intending business. Yet just a little of 500 apply per year. That means many people dropped out after taking UGBA 10 alone. How about the people who drop out because of Stats 21? Or Econ 1? Or just because of rumors? </p>

<p>As an intended business major, I have interacted with many people who aren’t going to apply to business even though they applied as a business major.</p>

<p>Furthermore, I don’t believe doing well at a CC mean you’ll do well at Cal.
I have personally taking CC courses while taking 7 courses at my high school while doing a sport, doing volunteer/other ECs etc. It also happened to have attended a top 10 CC in the country.</p>

<p>My CC GPA is a 4.0.
I do not have a 4.0 at Cal.</p>

<p>Simply, it’s far easier to get good grades etc at a CC.
It’s simply not “best of the best”, the people at CC are completely different from the types of people I’ve met at Cal.</p>

<p>I do not doubt the merit of some transfers. I have seen some hard working people who only didn’t apply to Cal because they didn’t have the money first time around. </p>

<p>But I’ve also seen some who just slacked off in high school. Took easy CC courses and got in. </p>

<p>Overall, I do not believe the quality of transfers is up to par of continuing students, on average. </p>

<p>Even Haas admits the bare minimum of 33% as mandated by the state.*
Isn’t that saying something already?</p>

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<p>As much as I love UCB, I think this is pretty silly. Berkeley is an easy college to get into regardless of whether you’re going in as a freshman or a CC transfer. I’ve spent my entire life earning far more degrees than I need, and have taken courses at nearly every major university in the world, including a handful of CCs when my finances were running thin. Professors and difficulty of coursework is so subjective that I don’t really know why you’re bothering with such sweeping generalizations, but I have definitely taken courses in CCs which put to shame ones I took at Cal and other universities. I met some professors in CCs that were more brilliant than any professors I had interacted with in the Ivy system. And on the other end of the worldly spectrum, my time studying at the University of Tokyo was a living hell of difficulty compared to graduate studies at Stanford.</p>

<p>And really, when it comes down to it why complain about this? HAAS isn’t that challenging to get into to begin with. I’ve known quite a few complete imbeciles who got in without breaking a sweat. As far as I know, transfer admits into HAAS also do about as well as those that were in Cal as freshmen.</p>

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<p>That is, only if they can get into econ, which is also impacted. </p>

<p>To summarize, you can matriculate at Berkeley as a freshman admit and apply to get into Haas and get rejected. Then you apply to Econ and not get into that either.</p>

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<p>if you don’t know how to play the system as a berkeley student to get into haas and let transfers get in then that says something about you, and you shouldnt blame others for your incapabilities</p>