Does everyone have their popcorn ready for Harry & Meghan?

I’m pretty appalled he disclosed his number of kills when a soldier.

I canceled my order of “Spare”. I’m done. :woman_facepalming:t3:

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I’m curious if anyone’s opinion of the Sussex’s has changed by the release of the Netflix series and book?

I’m reminded of a quote William made years ago:

I think it’s very important that you make your own decision about what you are. Therefore you’re responsible for your actions, so you don’t blame other people.

I guess not everyone feels the same.

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My feelings about all of it has changed but not a lot.

I used to wake up early to watch royal weddings, because of the pageantry of it all and tradition and I wanted to see the dress. Now, I doubt I would do that again as the whole setup feels kind of gross and toxic. Whereas before it all felt benign, now it feels like a net negative.

I don’t know that I have a net positive or negative feeling about M&H after all of this. I already was a bit sympathetic toward her as I think so much of what was directed at her was race-based. And, truthfully, misogynoir. I think I might like Harry a little less, though, again, I felt sympathetic toward him because of the obvious trauma surrounding his mother’s death. I don’t like that he didn’t do more to help/protect Meghan, and I’m not thrilled how much of the family’s dirty laundry he is airing. All that said, I still don’t get the vitriol directed at them.

I never liked Charles and nothing that’s been said has changed that. I suppose I like him even less. And I guess the largest drop in esteem would be directed toward William. I never found him likable and definitely don’t now.

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I cant really see how H&M will come out on top after al these ‘truth bombs’
In today’s latest:

Harry was NOT William’s Best Man.
Harry hurriedly left his air force base when drug testers showed up (the base was locked down during the random testing)
He and Meghan announced her pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding
After his Antarctic expedition, Harry’s penis suffered frostbite! What?!

I’m astounded The Markle’s have been so quiet…!

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After viewing the Netflix series, I was a lot more sympathetic towards them. But now, with the inconsistencies pointed out in the details of Meghan’s mental health crisis and the leaked parts of H’s book, I’m losing some (maybe a lot) of my sympathy.

I have Spare on reserve at my library.

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Boo…I can’t read this anymore because I don’t want to read spoilers that are out! I want to read the book.

The other day I saw a clip of H saying he wanted a reconciliation, but do you really think writing a book that is negative about the family you want to reconcile with is the way?!

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From the Netflix series, no. From the book, I never had plans to read. And still don’t. The “revelations” got me up to speed. So on that basis, I’m not a big fan of oversharing in general, but I really could have lived my life without details about Harry’s penis.

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What else is he going to say during his book promo tour? They’re bad people and I want nothing to do with them? Has to keep the victim gravy train rolling for when the Duchess writes her book (the only logical 4th book in their four book deal).

I liked Meghan and Harry as a couple. While disappointed when they pulled away from the monarchy, I wished them the best. I felt disappointed with their need to air grievances publicly in the Oprah interview but figured sometimes unhappiness spills out unintended.

Now … I just don’t get it. They’ve told their “truth” so many times over. In telling their truth, they seem to forget that their truth isn’t the only truth to be told. I’ve just now started to see the value of the Royal Family’s “never complain, never explain.” Certainly a tit for tat would benefit no one.

If you’re asking me if I believe all Meghan and Harry say, the answer is a definitive no. I think the Queen’s “recollections may vary” says it all.

I feel sad for all involved, particularly Harry at the moment. I can’t quite figure what his endgame is with all this. I know he says he wants reconciliation - with apology - but he’s going about it a weird way.

I had the book on hold but am uncertain whether or not I want to spend that much time with Harry. I’m not sure I like the man he’s become. (And some of the details that have leaked are already more than I care to know.)

All that said, I believe he truly loves his wife and children and moves past this … whatever.

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I continue to find the Harry and Meghan hate/bias fascinating. Watching everything as it plays out is bigger than the principal players in my opinion.

For example when I read this post:

I just took it at face value. But then I actually watched the Colbert episode. I expected to hear the boos…and I missed it. I actually hit rewind a couple of times to my DH’s bewilderment. I asked him if he hears “boos”. It’s just our opinion but we don’t. (Disclosure: we were not in the live audience so perhaps, the boos actually did occur.)

Listen for yourselves and be your own judge.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/PdGgy8lOTusPCCvuAq_nnUlgXjw9s3ef/
Anyway, why does it even matter? In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t. However I can see how something like it can be repeated over and over and acknowledge its implications. People begin to accept the biased version (groupthink).

I believe most of the H&M stuff is a prime example of two big issues (the collective) we are facing. 1. Media promoting division for profit. 2. People in positions of power manipulating hate and anger as diversions for their personal gain.

And lastly I’ll link to the Goodreads page for Spare. In my opinion it is just one example, illustrating the disturbing consequences of the hate echo chamber.

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I wonder if, behind the scenes, they are all working together and this is part of the master plan to divert attention away from some other Royal news story. Maybe it was set up to be aired/released after the Queen’s passing to elevate British support of Charles.

I didn’t hear boos, either.

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No matter what one thinks of Charles or William, to cause all this uproar and distress the Queen in her final years is unforgivable. Poor woman should have been allowed to enjoy her final years in family peace.

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Some of the tell-all material is cringe-worthy, but I would never judge someone who has lived a life I can’t imagine. Harry was born into royalty and with that came great privilege, but also heavy burdens. He’s been in the public eye since he was born, and in a country obsessed with tabloid news. He was aware he was the “spare” in the family business, but it seems he felt that sting in his family as well. During childhood, his two primary anchors who could have helped him navigate his role were a mess; they didn’t have a happy marriage, they had an ugly, public divorce, and another woman was in their father’s life. His mother died, and his father remarried. He didn’t enjoy boarding school. He was in military combat. He fell in love only to have the two remaining primary family members, his father, and his brother not accept his choice. When the tabloids turned on his wife in a racially charged way, his family didn’t speak out. He’s experienced a lot of pain.

I enjoyed the Netflix series because it was a bigger story than just Harry and Megan. It was about the modern press, the monarchy, colonialism, racism, family ties, mental health, and public obsession with celebrities.

Many here have criticized Harry’s entitlement, but the monarchy is all about entitlement by birth. His entitlement comes from how he was brought up, his country’s culture, and his DNA: he was born a prince. I think he had legitimate reasons for leaving his Royal role, but that came with a loss of income and security. It seems his family and the “firm” should have anticipated his need to earn a living that would allow him to maintain the lifestyle of a prince and how that could play out.

Sadly, I think Harry wanted the family without the institution, but his family is the institution, so it’s an impossible dream.

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And what could a reconciliation look like? What would they do together or talk about at family events? Politics? No. Religion? No. Their kids? Well, H&M don’t want to talk about who their kids resemble or birth order (would Harry tell William not to treat Charlotte like a Spare?).

Would William or Charles just call up Harry for a chat? “Hey, how’s it going? What have you been up to? Publish any new books lately?” Seriously, what would they talk about or do together that Harry hasn’t criticized? There couldn’t be any press coverage of it

I don’t think Joan Crawford’s daughter was really welcomed back into the family after her book

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I hope William and Cate are paying attention WRT their own kids. I wonder if having more than two kids lessons the sense of ‘less than’ for the second child? I hope they encourage all their kids to follow their dreams and if George wants to be a dentist versus King they support him.

I worry the Taliban might target the coronation. All those folks in one location must be a nightmare for the security team

To me the only thing that really matters is the allegation that the palace was deliberately planting negative stories about them. This is the heart of the situation. If true, then Harry and Meagan never stood a chance that their situation with press would improve. But most of all if his brother and father actively or passively allowed this to happen then they are responsible singlehanded for all that followed.that’s the betrayal and maliciousness not Harry calling them out on it.

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I’ve read that the price of the book is already being heavily discounted by many retailers.

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