I actually wasn’t replying directly to you, but your example of your friends is how I expect most parents would react - talking, apologizing, and keeping the door open.
Some the comments on how Charles should react are quite different. At its core, this is about airing grievances and dirty laundry in public, and I guess some people are caught up and offended because of the whole Royal angle and taking an absolutist stance. But there was no physical, mental, or emotional abuse. So as a parent of an adult child, I personally don’t see anything that would warrant cutting off a parent/child relationship permanently or throwing fuel on the fire.
I think the Frogmore thing is throwing fuel on the fire, but I guess now Charles considers that battle lines have been drawn. Very sad all around, imho.
I would hedge my bet that the story is much more simple in that H&M decided not to renew the lease and official documents were signed by both parties with standard language that included a by which the tenant will ‘vacate the premises’ date…which then gets spun into ‘they were asked to vacate the property’…not an untrue statement, but certainly not an interpretation with integrity either.
We don’t know how King Charles reacted. He hasn’t said anything, I’m not sure if we’ve even heard any “leaks” from him. Or the Queen Consort.
What we have heard is the Sussex’ spin on the situation. By Harry’s book. By the statement that they vacate Frogmore house.
It all feels like much ado about not much and a way to keep the feud alive.
But there are consequences to your actions. Such as making a boatload of money on a tell all. And don’t expect those you talked crap about to apologize and make nice.
That’s precisely the problem. Leak little things that can never be traced to you so you can keep your high ground on “we are too good for official comments,” all the time while your son and his wife are being smeared in hate campaign. Evict and never issue official notice. I want them to say, Harry is more than welcome to keep the lease. It’s their house to let go. That would make him seem like a loving father and not a vindictive person that he is.
Thank you for that link. As suspected, H&M were on an annual lease, expiring March 2022, presumably renewed through March 2023 - therefore not renewed beyond March 2023, they were asked to vacate
" Frogmore Cottage
Frogmore Cottage was the official residence of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex until 31 March
2020, when they stepped back from performing official duties. From 1 April 2020 Frogmore
Cottage became the private UK residence of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, subject to an
annual licence to occupy. In addition to commercial rent paid in the first five months of 2020-
21, a lump sum of £2.4m was received from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in September
2020 to re-imburse the Sovereign Grant for expenditure incurred on the refurbishment of
Frogmore Cottage. However, not all of the payment received in 2020-21 is recognised as
income within this accounting year, as it has been offset against the rental payments due for
2021-22.
Of the cash payments received in 2020-21, the equivalent of 12 months of rental income is
recognised in the Income and Expenditure Account for 2020-21, in accordance with the related
performance obligation to provide accommodation. This is included within Property rental
income.
The licence has been renewed for a further year to 31 March 2022. At 31 March 2021, the
equivalent of the rent due under the licence for the year to 31 March 2022 is treated as deferred
income under current liabilities in the Statement of Financial Position, and will be released to
the Income and Expenditure Account in the year 2021-22 as it is earned and the related
performance obligation to provide accommodation is met.
The balance of the cash payments received during 2020-21 is recognised as income in 2020-
21, on the basis that a licence to occupy does not extend beyond 31 March 2022 and there are
therefore no enforceable obligations at 31 March 2021. This is included within Recharges for
functions and other income. "
That’s the problem. They can put feelers out, if public image is hurt, the palace can later deny evicting them. If British public approves of this, they don’t have to issue any statement, always keeping the deniability cars in their hand. Nobody could possibly believed but the palace, right?
I hope you are right and I hope they aren’t being evicted. That’s the worse thing a parent can do I think in this situation.
I wonder, by not renewing the lease on Frogmore, if Prince Harry will lose his role of Counselor of State; as I understand it, the role requires him to be domiciled in the UK - the Frogmore home met that requirement.
Harry says he wants an apology. But I would think he’s smart enough to know that what he’s said and written most likely won’t result in one, who would want to give one? Surely he gets it.
I think there’s something else. I think they’ve done something that he hasn’t told the world, and only they know…and the apology is for a private matter.
But it was H&M who continued to bring up the ‘Kate made me cry’ story. IF it did happen, and IF Kate really did bring M flowers to apologize, shouldn’t that be enough? Did it have to be brought up in the book, after bringing it up on Oprah, after bringing it up…?
To me, that shows that H&M will never be happy with any apology, for anything. Even though the story doesn’t make H&M look good (and really, why is Harry telling this story in his book since he wasn’t part of the event or the apology?) and it does make her look like a Bridezilla, why does she get to use the excuse that Kate had Babybrain and it should have been all about Meghan and no one else’s opinion should matter. Nope, Kate is just mean (probably because of the lip gloss request!)
To me, this was and should have remained a minor event in all their lives. Harry shouldn’t have been deeply hurt by it. Meghan shouldn’t have been left weaping on the floor (yet again). It was a dress for a 5 year old. It was a high stress time for all of them. Let it go and stop talking about it or writing about it in books 5 years later.
In their opinions, Kate was mean. They said it (years ago). Be done with it.
For other things, they should follow the Queen’s advice of never complain, never explain. Don’t want to show the baby to the press? Don’t (or do it your own way). “hey Press Corps, if you want to see the baby, we’ll be on the back steps at 2 pm on Friday.” My sister isn’t a princess (except in her own mind) and she does this all the time. If asked to volunteer for a certain job like clean up at 5, she’ll say “Well, I can do set up at 11” as a way of controlling the situation. Of course there are people who will gossip behind her back, but she doesn’t care - she gets to do the job she wants to do and control the situation.
Do you think Harry would have gotten the apology if he didn’t write Spare, or do the documentary? Was emotionally unavailable Charles going to own up to being a lame duck father, but this publicity made him change his mind? He was never going to apologize.
I have no idea. I just think he wants an apology for something else. I do think Harry is immature. When I read he was playing around with the gas at his son’s birth, I really thought less of him.
They vilified her for making precious Kate cry. I remember how vicious attacks were. Nobody corrected anything. They say the record straight. I would have as well. Shame on Kate and William for allowing the press to run with the story. It’s unbelievable to me.
They said they never wanted to leave the family. They said they weren’t seeking privacy. They stated over and over again that they wanted lies published against them and uncalled attacks (like the one over avocado) to stop.
And I don’t think they are without criticism. I didn’t think her magazine cover was a right thing to do given her position.
The only way to get the “lies published against them” to stop is to remove themselves from the public eye. They know that-they are both around 40, and have been in the public spotlight a long time. If they are unwilling to remove themselves from the spotlight, then the “lies” and" uncalled for attacks" will continue. Just a fact of life.
Failure to renew a lease on an unused secondary property does not constitute eviction.
And I don’t see why Meagan needs to be treated like a villain and Kate as an adoring princess. Clearly vilification is not necessary. Again, I am appalled by the opinion that it’s OK to destroy people with lies in papers just because they happen to be celebrities. Really appalled.
They bring it up as an example. It was a story few knew about, but yet it made its way into the press with a reversal of who-made-who cry. The point of bringing up the story was that leaks were coming from the inside and after being wrongly accused, nobody from the inside pushed back in her defense. She said she accepted Kate’s apology. Maybe you think she is hypersensitive, but here is some of what she was dealing with:
It shouldn’t take a leap of imagination given what our country has seen in the last six years, but the press fueling hatred gave rise to social media hate, and real crazed people threatening her life. That’s a major factor in their decision to step away. They were afraid.
Against this backdrop, it makes no sense Harry’s father would remove his security. And evicting them from their home within secured grounds seems a way to insure they don’t come back. As a parent, it’s hard for me to understand.
love this!