<p>Wait, US Naval Academy is as respected as an Ivy league school?</p>
<p>Per Wikipedia,</p>
<p>He did well in subjects he liked.
Did what he needed to pass in other subjects.
He also got in arguments with his superiors which hurt him.</p>
<p>Well, yeah, all the service academies are as well respected as Ivies. No news there.</p>
<p>I'd say the US Naval Academy is way up there for those who are in the know. Maybe not as respected as Harvard or Stanford per se (probably because of the whole mandatory service), but definitely more prestigious than a "second tier state school". I don't know how he defines "well" but I'm pretty sure if he had gotten A's and B's in lit and history as long as he passed math and science he wouldn't have graduated that poorly. Though, I'm not sure how they decide rank at the US Naval Academy so I could be far off. But anyway McCain is a huge exception to the rule. But I'm with you on the side of the debate at hand.</p>
<p>I'd hate to think that my less than stellar public school education will get less respect from an employer than a super-omg-prestigious school would. I've WORKED MY ASS off to excel here, I'll be the first in my family to get a Bachelors degree, I'll also probably be the first to get a graduate degree. I chose NOT to go to a private school because of the extreme cost (this was before the endowment paying full way for families with low-income). </p>
<p>I think people extremely overexagerate the 'wow' factor of Ivies. I've met with professionals in my undergraduate field (business sector) who have told horror stories of Ivy league students coming in for internships and treated EVERYONE in the office like crap, had the student not QUIT, he would have been fired from the internship!? </p>
<p>I also attend a public school where many students transfer to Cornell after two years, per an articulation agreement. They also tend to attend grad school in Cornell for Education. Former students who attended the school I am at now HATE Cornell, not because of the weather, the academics, etc, but because nearly everyday in every class they are told they are 'better' then their peers in public institutions, that they are 'the best' in the country. Not only that but there have been numerous students who have told kids who have stayed at my college that they got such a better education at my college then they have at Cornell, the education they received at my public university was much more hands-on and informative, they couldn't say the same for Cornell.</p>
<p>I think that to a certain extent yes, an Ivy on your resume may get you an interview. HOWEVER, in order to excel in any field, in an interview, etc. you need excellent communication skills, passion, drive, intelligence, etc to make it anywhere, and to be honest I don't think after attaining your first post-undergraduate career your university matters at all.</p>
<p>Well we can agree to disagree. I just hope that you don't live life thinking about how lowly those Ivy League losers are. My kids don't. They are just puzzled by the huge difference in outcome they see with their HS classmates. And BTW where I live the Service Academies trump all.</p>
<p>arcadefire wrote: "If you take the same individual, duplicate him, and put him at Arizona State and Princeton, the Princeton version of him will probably be more successful. I think that's what this all sums up to."</p>
<p>Well, that's the heart of it, isn't it?</p>
<p>As it happens, a longtitudinal study has followed kids from the '60s, 70's, 80's, and into the present. It is referenced in the book Harvard Schmarvard and other places. These data have been used to follow kids who were accepted at Harvard, but for a variety of reasons attended State Flagship and other non-top-30 schools.</p>
<p>What do you think the data show about the earnings of this group over the past 35 years? Any guesses?</p>
<p>oreo45 -- well, in my brother's home the service academies trump all too! My nephew just finished his plebe year at the United States Naval Academy. Though his sister, poor soul :), is entering her senior year at Northwestern.</p>
<p>It is one of the MOST EXCITING things for our community when students are presented with their acceptances by the Military Personnel at the Sr Awards ceremony. Screaming & yelling, standing ovations, thrilling to see. Everyone is proud!! And keeps up with how they are doing through the years.</p>
<p>Oh and Congrats & Thanks to your nephew! Good Luck to your niece. Sr year is fun!</p>
<p>@ EAD-->Well I suppose that depends on your narrow-minded definition of intelligence. High test scores and stellar transcripts don't measure everything about a person.</p>
<p>^
No one is sayiing they do. High test scores and a good transcript, however, have been proven to be the best indicator of college success. You can't exactly measure passion or perservarance.</p>
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And BTW where I live the Service Academies trump all.
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That's funny, because from my time in the military, service academy grads are generally seen as on par with Texas A&M and $h!tadel alums ;)</p>
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Those aren't generalizations for the most part though. Even at a lot of elite schools, students go out and drink maybe 2-4 nights a week depending on workload. Considering ASU is considered the premier party school in the nation, it's not unreasonable to assume that a solid percentage of the student body gets hammered on a daily basis. As for my second point, most normal kids go home and watch TV or play videogames after school. I think regular state school kids are "normal" for the most part. They certainly weren't investing heavy time in extracurricular activities for multiple hours after school like the future Ivy Leaguers at any rate. What part of my post doesn't make sense to you? Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't being political correct. How about, "Most ASU students like to socialize on a daily basis and most regular state school kids liked to spend a lot of time at home during high school". There, is that better?:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Yes. Normal kids DO go home and hang out or play video games. Just because EAD was using a common example doesn't mean he was generalizing. Sure the phrasing could have been better, but seriously...</p>
<p>I go to an HYPSM, and guess what I did most afternoons during middle school? Hang out and play video games (and this was back when I was "normal").</p>
<p>Where does e<em>a</em>d attend?</p>
<p>"The Dirty Duke," as he likes to call it.</p>
<p>You couldn't pay me to go to Duke...Wow...</p>
<p>I think it's funny how we are arguing about which college is better when only 1% (or was it 0.1%?) of the world's population actually goes to college....</p>
<p>Which is why the majority of the people on this site are completely irrational.</p>
<p>College for undergrad is as important as for graduate. But the company tends to rely on your grade on graduate. But I think if you get into good college for undergrad, you are having advantages. Other people will have to work more to get what you are having now. You can make friends, get more information, have fun ... In graduate school many people study part-time and care so much for their life so you may feel bored.</p>