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That depends on the student.
Of course CC is a biased sample. Most students attend local schools with objective, automatic admissions criteria. They don’t have much need for a discussion forum.</p>
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They’re not exactly worse, more so that they’re not trained for specifically standard industry work, which is true.
No statistics because as I said, it’s anecdotal evidence. It’s not proof in and of itself, and it’s probably based partially on overestimating MIT grads, but I’ve heard this from more than one person. Some trends can’t be explained by statistics in any reasonable way.</p>
<p>It’s just my preference whether choosing doctors, schools, etc. I prefer better schools and I am not against anyone going to different schools. So don’t get upset if anyone not going to the top schools. And there is no need to get personal. I said in the post #87 that “I have no problem with engineers posting their personal and work experience that says prestige matters not much in their work.” and I also said in post #83 that “an advice could be to quit hs, go to cc…and make six figures…” So you could have more times correct than wrong. Let’s keep some different opinions here. I am sure people who visit the forum can have their own judgment/opinion on the issue.</p>
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Stop focusing on the pronouns and think about the main idea. Who would want to work for someone who believe a top engineering graduate is automatically better* than another graduate from a lesser known school? </p>
<p>*Better as in you’d feel more assured if a structure was calculated by them. :rolleyes:</p>
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I am in no way of suggesting that. It depends highly on the student and what they accomplish. Perhaps you don’t understand that a student from a 150th ranked school could be better than a top 50 graduate.</p>
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So this became a thinking and writing class now?</p>
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Don’t try to put words in other’s mouth.</p>
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Is this the norm or the exception? Do you have any proof on that?</p>
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Yes, I do. Would you like to hear it?</p>
<p>We’ll save this for a later date. One where you’re less sassy and can come up with actual reasons and responses.</p>
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Sure. Let’s hear it. But first answer the question: “Is this the norm or the exception?”</p>
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To be fair, you’re a bit light on proof yourself.
Do you have any evidence that prestige does make a better engineer?</p>
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You couldn’t even use facts to support your own claim beyond hearsay. Now you want to help @Niquii77 to answer his claim?</p>
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Where did I write that? Do both of you and @Niquii77 like to put word in other’s mouth?</p>
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@Niquii77: the thread is still waiting on your offer to provide proof about your claim and answer my question if you are too sassy.</p>
<p>Obviously top schools such as MIT, Stanford, and a few others get applicants that are smarter on average than other schools. People with a GPA of 4.0 get rejected to these universities. The average salary of CS from these schools is 90k, but that’s not the case on other places. If an employer is looking for the best engineer he can find and gets three hundred resumes, do you really think he will look at people from bad schools? </p>
<p>However because someone didn’t go to a prestigious institution doesn’t mean they are bad engineers. But on average prestigious schools tend to graduate “better” engineers because they usually take the best students</p>
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What? It took some time getting information from people. </p>
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GenDad, you know there was an asterisk on better, originally, right?</p>
<p>Example:
Student A* and Student B* attend colleges within the same state. Student A attends the top university called College 1** which is ranked in the 30s nationally. Student B attends a university called College 2** which is ranked in the 150s nationally. Both colleges are public. Both students majored in mechanical engineering. Student A has a GPA of 2.9, no internships, and is in a Panhellenic fraternity. Student B has a GPA of 3.4, one intership, two years of research, and is in an professional fraternity. </p>
<p><em>Names have been changed.
*</em>College names have been changed. </p>
<p>Who would you think is better, GenDad? Would you feel more assured with Student A? If so, why?</p>
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I’d say hearsay is a step above conjecture, which seems to be all you have to offer right now.</p>
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It has been more than 14 hours since you wanted to show us your proof - Post #106. Why suddenly you needed getting information from people? You were not lying at the time, were you? </p>
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Just deliver your promised proof and answer to my question. I am not interested in either your thinking/writing class or word game. If you dont have the proof or cant answer the question, just admit it.</p>
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I didn’t make wild claims like you and wheres your proof on how bad employees that graduated from MIT and the like are at actually solving problems </p>
<p>If you didn’t have firsthand experience/knowledge on the mater, you dont have the rights to badmouth grads from MIT and the like whether its borrowed from other employers before you backpedaled on Post #102, again making a claim without any proof:</p>
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I know one person who majored in engineering and did not get the expected outcome. When I asked if you wanted to hear it, and said yes, I asked them about their experience (and stats) in engineering. Far from lying. </p>
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A word game? A thinking game? It’s a simple question. Can you not answer a question? Earlier you said that you would feel more assured if a structured was calculated by a top ranked student than a lower ranked student. Would you feel more assure in this case? </p>
<p>Let’s pretend you said you’d feel more assured with Student A. This would go along with your belief that a student who attended a top school had a more vigorous education therefore would be better at calculating/double checking a structure thus leaving you feeling more assured. </p>
<p>The companies did not think that way. Student B was able to get a company to hire them right after graduation. National average starting salary (which is good considering the state average is $3,000 or $4,000 lower). Great benefits and is already doing a great job in the work field. Student A however couldn’t get a job until 7 months after graduation (one month after loans were due) and has a salary basically at state average starting salary. So much for prestige. But as you said, it’s all relative.</p>
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You based your entire claim about how better a student from the 150th ranked school would be compared to a top 50 graduate solely on two peoples experience? And you want high school seniors to believe your claim by applying more to the 150th ranked school instead of the top engineering schools? You need to do better than this. An exception does not lead to the proof that grads of the 150th ranked school are better than those of a top 50 school.</p>
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I dont know what the circumstances were in your case. But using GPAs from two different schools are no way to indicate the rigors for obtaining the specific GPAs and their engineering education.</p>
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Everyone has a story or two to tell. Hiring depends on a lot of factors, not just prestige. When everything else is equal, companies will hire grads from more prestige engineering schools. If you still have any doubts, please read the Post #111. </p>
<p>If youd like to generalize a trend or make a claim, its better to have a larger sampling size. That can strengthen your argument and make a real impact on high school students if that’s your intention. I only gave my preferences and go long with whats being accepted as the norm.</p>
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I said could. </p>
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The rigor of the two schools are quite similar. It’s amazing to think that the rigor a top school coul similar to a lower ranked school. </p>
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No, I have no doubt in this. </p>
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I have no care to do that. </p>
<p>This has been beaten to a pulp. Prestige is not everything. A student’s success depends greatly on themselves, which you and I both can agree on. A great student will succeed anywhere.</p>
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What’s point to bring it up then? We can find exceptions everywhere, including not going to college…
I thought people post on CC because they care about helping others with their insights and discussions. But I could be wrong here.
I don’t remember ANYONE disputes that. That’s why children are taught early on to respect others and to achieve their dreams by “try, try again”.</p>
<p>God luck to your study and job search.</p>
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You continue to avoid answering the question: where’s your proof?</p>