I am an Asian Indian, and i really want to go to either UNC-Chapel Hill, or Rice University, and i have generally heard that putting Asian down for the race actually hurts you…Is this true? Would it be better for me to put no preference or whatever? (BTW, im Hindu, and if you need to know, im from Idaho…)
While your here, will you rate my chances too at these schools?
SATI-1370
gpa-3.83(will be 3.91 at end of tri-november 20)
<p>-sigh- there are like a million boards around about this. </p>
<p>It will not HURT you, it just won't HELP you since you're not an underrepresented minority (blacks, hispanics, native americans). But I hate when Asians refuse to put down their race. It's usually pretty obvious they're asian anyways, and they're usually not trying to make any kind of a statement in their refusal, and are merely trying to gain an advantage over other asians who proudly and honestly put down their heritage. And no, there is no such advantage, because they dont treat you as an URM just because you didn't answer the question.</p>
<p>It won't help you if the college you're applying to uses affirmative action. But I just put down that I'm Asian anyway, since they can already tell from my last name the picture on my transcript.</p>
<p>I am the same as you- i put asian down though. I don't think it'll hurt my chances!</p>
<p>Putting Asian down does not help or hurt you. What seperates you is if you fall into generic asian and unique asian.</p>
<p>Put down white/asian has the same effect as leaving the question blank.</p>
<p>ehmm....
must you also send a photograph with your application...</p>
<p>Seriously, I think the photo idea is pretty good. My S applied to eight schools in a range between WUSTL and Rutgers and only one school suggested that he send a photo, Emory.</p>
<p>i'm filipino.....is that asian or pacific islander?</p>
<p>The race codes are officially controlled by the Census Bureau and there are hundreds of them. For the purposes of the app form, you will probably be marking "other" and then writing something in. You can pick either one or both. They aren't checking your birth certificate.</p>
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I am an Asian Indian, and i really want to go to either UNC-Chapel Hill
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<p>If you are out of state that it going to hurt you no matter what your race. Since Rice is 15% Asian/Pacific American, you may be considered overpreresented.</p>
<p>I read an article earlier this year about this topic:</p>
<p>"Asian American students have higher average SAT scores than any other government-monitored ethnic group, and selective colleges routinely reject them in favor of African American, Hispanic and even white applicants with lower scores in order to have more diverse campuses and make up for past discrimination....Asian Americans, who make up 4 percent of the U.S. population, are found in much higher concentrations in selective colleges."</p>
<p>I'm not too up on this topic, but I believe that they don't always consider asian to be a homogenous group so that they handle Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans separately. You might contact the school directly and ask if Filipino is considered an URM by the school. At any rate, I have never heard of anyone saying that being over-represented will hurt you. Being URM helps. Being non-URM is neutral. (I realize that not being helped hurts, but I don't believe that they would single out any particular race and say that we want less of those.)</p>
<p>Idaho may help a lot more than Filipino.</p>
<p>Get some prep books on the SAT and go over the tips. Retake it when you get back to school and you can expect it to go up quite a bit. For RD, you can take it as late as January. If you take it no more than three times, they will take the best score from each section. If you take it more than three times, there is a high probability that they will average all of the scores. UNC is out of state and required to take 70% in-state students. When you look at the 50% SAT ranges, take that into account. If you are non-URM, you will need to be well above the average SAT.</p>
<p>"Idaho may help a lot more than Filipino."
I would put so much emphasis on this...</p>
<p>"Asian American students have higher average SAT scores than any other government-monitored ethnic group, and selective colleges routinely reject them in favor of African American, Hispanic and even white applicants with lower scores in order to have more diverse campuses and make up for past discrimination....Asian Americans, who make up 4 percent of the U.S. population, are found in much higher concentrations in selective colleges."
omg...i'm screwed</p>
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"Asian American students have higher average SAT scores than any other government-monitored ethnic group, and selective colleges routinely reject them in favor of African American, Hispanic and even white applicants with lower scores in order to have more diverse campuses and make up for past discrimination....Asian Americans, who make up 4 percent of the U.S. population, are found in much higher concentrations in selective colleges."
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<p>This is the opionion of Jay Matthew as written in his washington Post Column, on 3/22/05</p>
<p>The great thing about opinions is that they are yours,whether the are based in fact is moot. It's what you perceive things to be.</p>
<p>to quote gl7: "What separates you is if you fall into generic asian and unique asian." My SATs were low (1150) and not many EC's but I got into a somewhat selective school (waitlisted at another), had a 4.0 GPA at my comm college and 'cause I work full time. I think I wrote a pretty great essay, which probably made the difference. So there is hope for the SAT-challenged...</p>
<p>I know that it may seem like a fine line, but putting down Asian doesn't hurt you. What hurts you is that other people who are competing for the same slot as you are able to put down Hispanic, African American, Native American, or International Student.</p>
<p>The colleges are trying to get a freshman class that mirrors society. If they based admissions entirely on SAT scores, that probably would not be any better for you anyway. If they just scraped off the top SAT scores, the cutoff might be around 1550/1600. In 2003, there were about 760 high school students with a perfect 1600. Of those, about 500 applied to Harvard and less than 300 were accepted. </p>
<p>The URM's are underrepresented because they are disadvantaged, at least as a statistical group. The situation looks really stupid when an affluent African American from a prep school is given an advantage, but I would be more impressed by a URM with a 1400/1600 from a poor high school that has an avg SAT of 700/1600 than I would be with a person from a prep school with a 1580/1600.</p>
<p>All you people say being Asian doesn't hurt, but I think it does. Obviously being non URM hurts a little compared to the URM status, but being white is preferable to Asain at a lot of schools. Do you know why? Asains, being the smartest group, are discriminated against because colleges want to keep the Asian level down to a certain level. If AA went down to tubes or if race wasn't known on the app, so many Asians would be accepted it would be outrageous. It really hurts at schools like Berkeley where it is acceptable to have a majority or supermajority of white acceptees, but they get antsy about Asians making up 40-50% of the class. THey just won't do it. So when coming in, you know the school is gonna put in the URMs, then fill out the rest with asians and whites, asians have the disadvantage simply because there are more whites in this country, and the adcoms want to reflect that demographic breakdown.</p>
<p>THe stupid ideas behind AA cause this. In the same sense that they believe there should be as high a percent of Hispanics and Blacks as in the population, they also, in some sense, try to push the percentage of Asians lower, closer to the population percentage.</p>
<p>drummerdude: I've decided you're right. Perhaps I was thinking of white and asians as being in the same situation before, but whites are not over-represented as asians are.</p>
<p>However, I think this may depend on the college to a large extent. In the UC system, asians are certainly overrepresented while whites are under. Nationwide I don't think I see that pattern concerning asian applicants, or at least not to the extent that it would affect admissions decisions. </p>
<p>I'm still not sure I think its a problem because I do put value on the top colleges representing society as a whole.</p>