Doing what you love...

<p>I read tons of Blogs, i like constant streams of new Info, i came across a post on the blog "On Making Money..." called "How I Got a Six-Figure Salary Straight Out Of College". the guy isn't conceited by any means, the article is very useful. here is a Segment that made me think of the CC forums, pretty much instantly.</p>

<p>--- Forget about Doing What You Love for a While ---</p>

<p>When you’re in college, everyone from your parents to your professors to career advisors give you the same career advice: “Do what you love.”</p>

<p>In my opinion, that’s just stupid.</p>

<p>You didn’t go to college to find fulfillment. You went so that you could get a well-paying job. Plus, you’re barely out of adolescence. How are you supposed to have any idea what career is going to fulfill you?</p>

<p>I went to school to become an English teacher. After graduating, I even got a job offer from a local high school to start teaching… for a grand total of $28,000 per year. I’m sure I would’ve loved it, but I’m also sure I would’ve been miserable. I’m not the type of person that enjoys poverty.</p>

<p>Instead, I took a job in real estate development. I never really enjoyed the work, but it helped me to buy the lifestyle that I did enjoy. It’s also allowed me to retire at the age of 25 and do exactly what I want to do: write this blog post.</p>

<p>If you want my advice, forget about fulfillment for a while. Get out there and make some money. You can always experiment with other careers later, and it’s a lot easier to make the transition if you’ve got a decent bankroll.</p>

<p>In the future, I’m going to write a lot more about this, but for now, we can boil it down to this: if you get a six-figure job offer, accept it for gods sake.</p>

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<p>this seems more intuitive, and i agree with what he is saying. what do you guys think?</p>

<p>it is also a great blog, that gives you lots of useful and for the most part practical information, if anyone is considering reading it.</p>

<p>THIS WAS EXCERPTED FROM ANOTHER POST. MAYBE IT HAS SOME USEFUL INFO:</p>

<p>Maslow's hierarchy of needs essentially says that over time people first focus on what they need to survive, and once that is covered, they start thinking more about individuating and self-actualizing -- or in other words becoming who they want to be and pursuing their deepest dreams.</p>

<p>The people in the world I know who I envy the most are those who know what they want and treat their goals along these lines as importantly as their fight what they need to survive. Take for example, I don't know, George Lucas. If you look at this life, I don't think he ever really doubted that films were his passion and he went for it and didn't ask questions. (I don't really know his story that well so maybe I got it wrong, but he could be an example.) On the way to doing what he needed to survive through work, he found what he needed to thrive and vice versa.</p>

<p>You, Yellowenigma, are in the position I was in and it is a vastly different position from George Lucas. You don't connect your survival with what you are doing now on a day-to-day basis. And your own potential self-actualization -- i.e. becoming who you really are or want to be in life as you become a fully independent adult -- may seem to you to be unrelated to your survival. Therefore, there's nothing really inspiring that's pushing you to really buckle down and work.</p>

<p>I find the dilemma you are in is really typical of people in the middle and upper middle classes. I would guess you are one or the other. Some people need the fight to get them off your butt, but you don't really have a fight that you are facing in your environment. Only people who more or less blindly follow others advice to buckle down and work hard for the later payoff or those who are visionary in the sense that they can connect the dots between what they want to do now and how they want to realize their dreams 10 years from now understand that their fight has already begun and doesn't involve just getting into school but in making themselves better educated and more passionate and interesting people or more simply, like Lucas, they are already following their dreams. People in the lower classes already have their feet to the fire and understand much more instinctively that they need to fight to survive. And people who are truly in the rich classes don't really need to worry about survival; some of them are self-motivated anyway and do well and others of them squander their lives and do stupid things (Paris Hilton, IMO).</p>

<p>People in the middle class are a hybrid. In the current moment, there's nothing in their direct environment, which is more or less comfortable, that says they need to be fighting to survive. Some just get it, though. Others are self-motivated at their core anyway. But others just don't see it. And still others actively work against feeling they need to fight or succumbing to it.</p>

<p>The other thing that could be going on is that you either fear really being put to the test and coming up short -- if you really want to go to, let's say Pomona, and push to do so but don't get in, it's easier to never actually risk wanting it and ending up disappointed. It's a way of protecting yourself. You mentioned Harvard. Maybe on some level you know you are not Harvard material, so on some level rationally you are checking yourself out of that disappointment.</p>

<p>Or you may be very sensibly reacting against on some level the fact that in our society college entrance frenzy is growing stronger every year pushed by the fact that education is the ticket increasingly to "higher echelon" jobs because there are more educated people to compete against. Everybody's going crazy and frankly they are overdoing it, particularly when it comes to trying to get into a place like Harvard. 'Cause the fact is, within a certain grade of smarts and achievement (well beyond the level of those who get into Harvard) what really determines a person's success over time is who they are much more than where they went to school. Looked at over the scope of life, the concern about whehter one gets into an Ivy League school is way, way overdone, particularly in places like CC. It's ultimately most important that you go to a school that can educate you in the broadest terms possible (i.e., not only academically, but socially too). Yes, you do live in the real world, and prestige can be a factor in detemining particular opportunities, but over time, this kind of thing blurs. Ask my Stanford grad friend who works a menial job (seriously). Ask Steve Jobs (a really extreme case, I agree) who had to drop out of college 'cause his parents couldn't afford it.</p>

<p>I suggest you reflect on the following:</p>

<p>1) Ask yourself if you will have to take care of your own survival after college. If your parents are really rich, this might not be necessary.
2) If the answer is that you don't have to take care of yourself, you don't really need to worry: go ahead and watch all the dramas you want to. Be aware that if you watch too much television you may risk becoming dull like Paris Hilton or someone else who doesn't have a mind. You sound pretty smart and switched on so I wouldn't worry about becoming Paris, but I would worry about becoming dull. That's just my opinion about TV and its overall effects if over-indulged.
3) If the answer is that you do have to take care of yourself after college, you need to really face that question squarely in your own mind. What you do now will determine whether, for instance, you are attractive as a potential employee for a law firm, a museum or school, a film company, or a call center (just to name some random examples). These are all places where you could work and survive. Don't worry: no matter what you do, given the general intelligence level I perceive, you can survive. You could probably always get a job at a call center. You are probably articulate and charming enough.
4) The reality for you, though, is that some point surviving will probably not be enough. You will want a job that challenges you, that is interesting, that fills you with pride, that connects you with people who are interesting.
5) The problem is that you need the pressure to survive to get you going, to motivate you. Some people just do. Coasting along the way you are doing, though, you can survive, so you in fact don't really need to be motivated to do more.
6) So if I were you, I would do a few things: a) I would start talking to anybody who will listen to your questions and ask them about what they do and how they like it and whether they would do the same thing if they could do it all over again. What would they do differently? b) I would try to figure out for yourself what it is in a general way or even in a more specific way what you want to be doing in 10 years. I know: what a tedious task. It sounds so career planningish or so what color is your parachute. Just remember, though, if you've read this far down the list you are really choosing how you will eat and just making sure that what you do to eat is also something that could potentially give you joy. c) I would get the best part-time job you can get. Bookstore. Grocery store. Whatever it is. See how you like working like that. Or work in a library or museum. Whatever interests you or if nothing interests you whatever pays best and is the best you can get. If you have time to watch a lot of TV, you have time to get a job. d) I would really try to discover your passions that aren't merely passive. Watching TV, as I said, is a quick way to being a very dull person. Maybe it's just your ambition to marry a nice boy. That would be okay, though a lot of people might criticize it. Nice boys, particularly better educated ones, tend to like charming, fun, resourceful, articulate girls, not people who spent all their time watching soap operas (often, not always, those categories tend to exclude one another). Maybe you can try your hand at performing yourself -- improvisation or something.
7) First: You need to recognize that you are fighting for your survival. Embrace that fight. Don't run from it. Stop listening to people who define the schooling process as an effort to get into Princeton. It's foremostly an effort to get you headed in a direction to where you can survive. Second: you need to recognize schooling and going to a reasonably good college, be it a university or art school or whatever, is a means to get you to where you can do something that you like or consider fun when you do it.</p>

<p>Merely surviving is okay. You are meant to thrive, to do what you really like. But you can't get to the second without going through the first unless you are independently wealthy. The happiest people do it all at once and seemingly never have second thoughts about their paths. You don't view it as all tied together, and so you are in no hurry. But you should be: life is long, too long to spend doing something you really hate. And it's too short; don't put off finding your passion.</p>

<p>Survival and a well paying job aren't you're only 2 choices. what the guy in my post is saying is go for as much as possible out of college and once you are grounded well, seek something you like better</p>

<p>My dad always stressed to me the importance of doing what I love, but also of doing things that are smart and practical. Sure, it would be great to persue what I love for my whole life, but at certain point, such a persuit would become selfish, if I cannot provide financial stability for my family. There needs to be some sort of balance. Anyone who blindly tells you "Do what you love" is misguiding you. Sure, in that ideal world of smiles and rainbows it might work. But in a world of taxes and bills, it doesn't fly all the time. The key is to find a practical discipline which you really enjoy. It really isn't as hard as it sounds. Take whatever you love to do, and try to find as many real-world applications as you can. I love hospitality and hotel management. My parents said this major wasn't practical and that I would always be switching jobs and moving around, which is very inconvenient once you have a family. Plus the terrible hours and low salary don't make it much better. So I took what I love the most about hotel management, the marketing area, and went with that. I am studying what I love, hotel management, while preparing myself to work in any sort of marketing position, not just in hotels. You can't live solely for yourself, and you can't just live for others. Find that balance in between and you will be much happier.</p>

<p>I agree with the OP:</p>

<p>Suffer now, relax later.</p>

<p>That is, unless you die young...</p>

<p>^^
hehe I'm listening to a song and how ironic:</p>

<p>"...live fast, die young..."
=)</p>

<p>I agree with Devilsrule. Like with most other things in life, there has to be a compromise. That's why so many people pursue college degrees in, say, art AND in business, so that they can get a living but still do what they love to an extent. Sure, there will be times in your life when you're happier job-wise and times where you're not, but that's a good thing, IMO. If you were always happy, you wouldn't be forever satisfied with that happiness.</p>

<p>This OP is an anecdote to "Do What You Love and The Money Will Follow." There's a lot I agree with personally. What if you love something that has no monetary value with no prospects for this?</p>

<p>But on the other hand, what if what you pursue for money turns out to be something you really hate and doesn't turn out to be all that lucrative?</p>

<p>I mean this is an extreme example, the one cited here, the guy who does so well that he can retire by the time he's 25. C'mon. That's ridiculous. What if the story were that he took on huge amounts of risk and really was doing well and it looked like he was going to retire early, but then he lost everything and ended up destitute? Would this story have the same ending or the same moral? Well, it might if the guy was really solely into the thrill of thinking and risking big and he was able to dust himself off quickly and move on and say, "God I love the high stakes games I play so much that it's okay I went bankrupt and my wife left me." In that case, he was doing what he loved, the outcome be damned. This guy's in love with his stroke of luck, in the example offered.</p>

<p>Unless you do something that makes you a mammoth wage that means you can pursue a bunch of other stuff soon in retirement, if you choose something for it's money possibilities alone you are likely going to spend your day slogging away at something that may be okay for or may be brutally painful to you. If it's brutally painful (boring, rubs you the wrong way, meaningless, whatever), switching gears to something you like more will rapidly be attractive with its own rewards, even if it means stepping down a bit financially. And if what you do is painful to you, you'll s*** at it usually anyway.</p>

<p>And tolerance level for this kind of pain varies greatly. Some people die if they have to do something that they find meaningless for instance, and for others it doesn't matter a whole lot. For those who don't really care, they've got more leeway to choose something that just gets it done or more financially.</p>

<p>If tomorrow you could hook me up with something that I had a very decent chance of being retired in 5 years, I could really see the world this guy's way.</p>

<p>One other thing: money definitely can make people happy. People are stupid or lying or really, really unusual if they think it doesn't matter at all.
But how money makes people happy is as follows: studies show that money makes people really happy when one is moving from penury to middle class levels of income, going for example from a job that pays say $20-28K per year to a job that pays 50-60 (depends on what part of the country you are in as to what is a solid middle class income and this could be 100K in some places or even 150K). It stops being as important beyond that, much less important. And then people value things like their time and friends and other things. The tough part with so many professions is that, at least in the US, you've got to give it all -- working yourself to the bone -- to get ahead. Or you give nothing or little and end up in the slow track.The people who are lucky are the ones who can be on the middle track making a nice wage.</p>

<p>And the really lucky are the people who either love the hell out of what they do to death and make a decent enough living at it at the same time. Or those who are able to grit their teeth for a very short period doing something that makes them very rich very quickly. </p>

<p>And the supremely lucky, the luckiest of all, are in my opinion those who choose something they really love for its own sake and get filthy rich pursuing it. </p>

<p>I just don't think it's as simple as this example makes it out to be. And I'll tell you, I've had acquaintances that chose money over everything else and then failed to make good money. That is the most pathetic situation to be in by far. Sacrificed your life for money and ended up with none.</p>

<p>So in all this weighing of what to do to make a killing, one has to also weigh in one's talents, likes, dislikes, and personality. What is good for one may not fit another.</p>

<p>I love chatting on random internet forums while lying on my bed, watching Gossip Girls, and eating cookies.</p>

<p>Can I make money doing this??</p>

<p>What my opinion is is that if you love something so much, then you should try your best to attain it. If you try your best and do everything possible to achieve that job, then you should be one of the most qualified. And even though some jobs out there provide low, it most probably provides more for overqualified people. So if you really love it, you should work to be overqualified for it therefore money should not be a problem.</p>

<p>I am definitely the best qualified to watch America's Next Top Model, but I don't know about Gossip Girl. What should I do to improve????</p>

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What my opinion is is that if you love something so much, then you should try your best to attain it.

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<p>What if you love something a whole lot, but have no talent or no unusual talent for it. My father wanted more than anything to be an architect, and one day eventually he had to face himself and say that he s***ed at being architect so he chose to become a doctor.</p>

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So if you really love it, you should work to be overqualified for it therefore money should not be a problem.

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<p>But what if you go to do it and they say "you're overqualified" and they don't want you?</p>

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I love chatting on random internet forums while lying on my bed, watching Gossip Girls, and eating cookies.</p>

<p>Can I make money doing this??

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<p>Maybe you could do it naked in front of a webcam....</p>

<p>this is true.</p>

<p>This is basically what my parents say ALL THE TIME
...except what if you die first?
or something else bad?
or what if you get stuck doing something you hate, but by the time you realize you hate it, you have responsibilities (shudder) and you can't take a chance and risk it all? </p>

<p>It seems to me like right after college used to be the time to take risks, make mistakes, and get messy (lol), but now everyone wants to dive right in and do the same thing until they're 65. What happened to Peace Corps and non-profit work and general couch surfing? Why is our generation so rigid?</p>

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It seems to me like right after college used to be the time to take risks, make mistakes, and get messy (lol), but now everyone wants to dive right in and do the same thing until they're 65. What happened to Peace Corps and non-profit work and general couch surfing? Why is our generation so rigid?

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<p>Uh, who was that directed at? All the posters? I guess the OP.</p>

<p>Personally, I think getting messy is really important, having pretty done nothing much else for a long time. And I do think it should be done right after college and with gusto. The fact is that that's the time when one can do a lot and try a lot of different things before choosing to live a certain way. I have a friend who became an award-winning journalist but basically because he was willing and happy to eat s*** for a few years barely scraping by and living with his girlfriends. He had not really started with this in mind but he went with it. And he became more and more sought after and then was given a decent job by a respected magazine.</p>

<p>I read the story about a week ago that there is a guy that has decided to do a different job per week for the next year. He only asks that he be able to work at the jobs for a short time and he'll do it for free.</p>

<p>The only thing I don't agree with is "general couch surfing." That's a waste, unless it involves a couch on a tropical island in a distant land. Otherwise, it just make one boring if done for an extended time. Unless one is doing webcame performances and reading good books ; ).</p>

<p>"Maybe you could do it naked in front of a webcam...."</p>

<p>you sir, are a gentlemen and a scholar, and awesome to boot.</p>

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<p>oook</p>

<p>But I am not going to college to get a good job. I could join the military for that. I'm going to college to learn, to meet new people in a foreign environment, and to try on various paths for the future.</p>

<p>People who are so concerned about money could probably get a jump-start by taking the funds for paying for college and wisely investing it instead of attending.</p>

<p>But hollyert, though it is a fact increasingly being up-ended by the fact that degrees don't give the "payback" they used to, overall it's still the case that learned people earn more whether or not the singlemindedly pursued one path or a "return on their investment". If your parents are helping you out to pay for college, I am sure this is what at least in part they are counting on.</p>

<p>There are probably a lot of other things at work. Learning is thought to bring greater fulfillment. It certainly brings greater status in many cases. And absent it, your options would be more limited.</p>

<p>One experiment:</p>

<p>If you could take the money you invested in college, put it in some stocks and make just the amount of profit from those stocks that you would have made going to college and graduate school and you get to keep the money you spent on tuition to boot. -- in other words, living at least as well 'cause you have the same payback, and you didn't have to pay tuition. In this case, why wouldn't you save yourself the hassle and forget about school?</p>

<p>I think the answer is because school gives us more than that financial payback. But don't deny the financial payback is part of the equation. Again, certainly I bet it really is for your parents.</p>

<p>theory of life is based on necessity
^ right on futureguy210, right on.</p>