<p>Just wondering... is it harder to get into Cornell as a domestic applicant or international? in other words, which poll is more competitive? Thanks</p>
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<p>They're both pretty competitive. It's really totally different if you're applying as international or domestic. If you're int'l, this doesn't include Canada, they expect extremely good grades and since they don't offer financial aid of any sort to you, no problems with paying in full. As domestic, it's competitive because there are thousands of applicants just like you out there, and you have to find a way to distinguish yourself from others. I don't think you can say one is really more competitive than the other.</p>
<p>It's more difficult to get in as an international student who needs financial aid because it's not need blind. It's much easier to get in as an international if you don't need Cornell to pay part of it for you.</p>
<p>Cornell is admission blind to internationals so applying finaid wouldn't effect an international applicant's chances.</p>
<p>International applicants normally have it real tough in applying Cornell (or any top school for that matter) unless you're from some exotic country where no one was admitted to Cornell before.</p>
<p>eslite, cornell is NOT admission blind to internationals (with the exception of canadian and mexican)</p>
<p>....you mean need blind? </p>
<p>and yeah, cornell is NOT need blind to internationals. only hyp and brown (correct me if i'm wrong..but i think those are it) are for now.</p>
<p>admission-blind: Finaid is not taken into consideration for admissions. So you may be admitted but not get aid at all.
need-blind: If you're admitted and applied for finaid, you'll get it.</p>
<p>The schools need-blind for internationals are HYP, MIT, Williams and Middlebury.</p>
<p>It really doesnt matter anymore cause decisions come out in a week, but anyway... As a mexican applicant who applied for fin aid (need-blind) do you think it's easier to get in compared to domestic applicants?</p>
<p>Brown isn't need blind for internationals (at least that's what they told me this summer).</p>
<p>It's considerably more difficult to get into Cornell or any other school in the US as an international. Schools just prefer to accept students from their country. You’re chances to get into a US professional schools are even grimmer. If you're applying to us med schools as an international, for example, your chances are virtually nil.</p>
<p>BTW, I don't think any school is needblind for internationals. I'm pretty sure that Cornell isn't anyway.</p>
<p>fudge.. thanks for your post but I have to disagree with you in several points...</p>
<p>"Schools just prefer to accept students from their country."</p>
<p>Where do you got that info from? IdK about ALL universities, but I do know that the top schools want diversity, and accepting Intl's brings diversity to a school, they do want them.</p>
<p>"You’re chances to get into a US professional schools are even grimmer."</p>
<p>Here, it is extremely common for people to go to US graduate schools. There's actually like the idea that if you want to be succesfull, you can study undergraduate in Mexico, but graduate definitely in the US. Everyone says it's actually easier to go as a gradute student.</p>
<p>"If you're applying to us med schools as an international, for example, your chances are virtually nil."</p>
<p>Well, here in Mex. if you want to study medicine you have to do it here in mexico, otherwise you dont get a licence.</p>
<p>"I don't think any school is needblind for internationals. I'm pretty sure that Cornell isn't anyway."</p>
<p>You can check on their websites, as eslite stated,HYP Williams, MIT and Middlebury are need-blind for intl's. In addition, for mexican and canadian students all the ivies except brown are need-blind.</p>
<p>Professional schools are different from graduate schools. In the US, I don't think it matters where you went to med school as long as it is accredited and that you pass the boards.</p>
<p>BTW, international refers to countries other than Mexico and Canada.</p>
<p>Here's the deal: Cornell is def not need-blind for internationals, dunno about admissions blindness, though. Brown is neither admissions nor need-blind for internationals. Although none of the top US colleges have quotas for internationals, they do have a vague idea of how many students they want to admit from certain countries. So if they want say about 20 ppl from the UK, they're not gonna admit 100. Maybe 30 or even 35, but definitely not too many. So in the end, the average ratio of applicants to places is higher higher for the international pool, which makes it harder to get in for internationals, at least statiscally. But you could argue that the US pool is, on average, more competitive with better stats and more impressive ECs. So it's probably a bit harder to get into top US colleges if you're international.</p>
<p>For most countries, students wouldn't even apply for US unis unless they are extremely capable. In that sense, I think there stats are comparable to the US pool.</p>
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<p>I agree with pearfire (although I wouldn't know if they actually set a fixed limit per country). Sure, they like to have international students for diversity, but universities don't admit an international student over a domestic student. International and domestic applicants get placed into two different applicant pools, and because all international students have that diversity aspect, they're not getting any edge in that respect by being international. Trilingualism or multilingualism, on the other hand, is a desirable trait that may give an international applicant a hook. </p>
<p>Some schools are interested in having international applicants for their language programs; like Pomona has language housing in which people who are trying to learn a language are housed with native speakers of that language. I have no idea what how the ratio compares, since the number of spots for internationals is much smaller, however, so is the international applicant pool.</p>
<p>You have to realize that just like domestic one, there are majority groups and minority groups in international students pool. An Ethiopian student might get in more easily than an applicant from Hong Kong. Moreover, most places in the world other than the US teach a language other than mother tongue, which means most international students are at least bilingual, if not trilingual.</p>
<p>I think it is harder for internationals to get into Cornell, or any other university in the US. Most colleges do have a quota or roughly some idea of how many internationals they want on their freshman class. spark15 hits it right on the mark with the majority-minority groups of international students. The number of seats available to internationals is also limited by funding issues. Most international students (like myself) can not afford to pay for a college education in the US in full. The limited funding available for international financial aid makes the competition in the international applicant pool very intense.</p>
<p>If international admission is more difficult, I think it is because of schools' US based expectations for which many international students might not be well prepared. Demanding the same criteria can be unfair and uneven in these cases and this is why affirmative action is necessary in many areas.</p>
<p>The principal issues for internationals (apart from the whole financial aid thing) seem to be extracurriculars (there isn't all that much emphasis on them, at least in Asian countries, and it gets rather hard to get involved in anything without doing miserably in school), grading systems, and course validity (for example, British universities don't really respect Indian classes, though I don't know if the same holds for Cornell). </p>
<p>So yeah, on the whole I'd say it's tougher at top colleges at least.</p>