Done it Twice, Honest Advice

<p>I've now been through the college admission process twice and I have a few bits of advice in addition to all the other good advice you'll get from other parents. This is what I've learned.</p>

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<li> Be brutally honest with yourself about your kid, over and over again.</li>
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<p>They are who they are, and they can become the best they can be, but they can't become that person you think or want them to become just because you try to imagine them into being. Shoe horning their laid back, lead from the bleachers personality into an intensive LAC so they'll "discover" their inner need to obtain a research PHD and become the department chair's pet project will backfire. Even if they say yes to applying to 8 schools like that, notice that their extracurriculars are stage crew not stage manager, math tutoring not math research, and go to the big state u open house without rolling your eyes. Then be glad when your child chooses the economic safety school for its other merits (size, breadth, spirit, sports), is happy beyond belief, and finds his happiness in teaching not chasing the fields medal.</p>

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<li> Be brutally honest with yourself about the schools -- what they tell you and what you feel.</li>
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<p>Your kid (say, S2) hates to write. But he also hates crowds and large schools, and most small schools are LACS. Some of the most attractive for his academic interests keep taking about "writing across the curriculum." You keep tuning this out, there are so many other important considerations ... scholarships, location, majors, facilities, learning supports, liklihood of acceptance, food... until finally, everything is in place, you are about to decide... and you say to the first year chemistry professor, "Surely you mean by writing in chemistry 'lab reports'" and he answers, "No, surely we mean by writing in first year chemistry several RESEARCH PAPERS AND ESSAYS." And the learning disabilities meantions as an aside that even the calculus professor assigns essays and papers. Back at the hotel you and your son consider early check out!</p>

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<li> Be brutally honest about the effects of time and change.</li>
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<p>It is a long, complicated process. We will learn things about our kids and ourselves that we did not and couldn't know before. Our kids will grow and learn about themselves. Make sure there are a range of schools on your kids' lists that are not just "grade/score" safeties but what I call "size/location/taste" safeties. Your student is as likely to change his or her taste in schools as to not be able to get into a reach school! Also have an economic safety or two. Often the economic safety and the grade/score safety are the same, but that might not be the case. A more midling school on the east coast may cost way more than a more academically challenging school in the rural midwest. An urban oriented student might prefer to be in an easier to get into bustling downtown school than a rural ivy. You catch my drift. Slice and dice the list to allow for growth, and to allow for reaction to the experience of visiting the schools closer to the time of making a decision.</p>

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<li> Be brutally honest about reality -- the forces you can't control.</li>
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<p>Economics and competition are the common and obvious ones. From the beginning work from the assumption that your student is qualified to attend every college to which he or she applies, even the furthest reach (otherwise why bother applying?) and so is every other student who applies. From that point on the decision is out of your students' hands -- the student has already done everything possible to: live a good life and to show the colleges the qualities that make that student an attractive applicant. No matter how it turns out, your student will be fine. Your student needs that confidence from the beginning, at the same time he or she is working hard to put together the best application possible to meet his or her goals. But we don't control the applicant pool in any given year, the popularity of any given college, the economics of tuition versus salary versus availability of need and merit based aid, nor state school tuition rates and tax bases. We don't control scandals at our HS or bad teachers senior year or horrible GC. Or sicknesses or layoffs. And -- we don't control the rate at which our kids mature, or the degree to which they panic or need to step back and retreat from this process, or disengage, or screw it up. Crooked and broken paths can get us to our goals as well -- more slowly and with greater difficulty, but often with better stories!</p>

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<li> Visit, visit, visit.</li>
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<p>Money is often an obstacle here. Many HS students, however, need the concrete experiences in order to make the decision making and goal obtaining behavior real. If you live near any colleges you can start the process as we did, with "substitute" colleges. Winter break of junior year we visited a bunch of colleges that never made it onto any relevant list of schools for S2, but they were "stand-ins" for a long while: Johns Hopkins - All they every talk about is work, national reputation, highly ranked school. Goucher College -- small pretty LAC with artsy feel in a metro area, right in suburb, near transit. McDaniel -- more mainstream feeling LAC in small town that felt like regular mid America, could walk to Doritos and take bus or shuttle to strip with fast food and Walmart. Then we could compare...X campus would be more like Goucher, but town more like McDaniel. You get the idea.</p>

<p>However, with both kids, it was very much the visits as close to decision time that really helped ... especially visiting to confirm the final choice or rule out the all but final choice(s). They knew themselves fairly well by April of Senior year. And the relief we all felt that they were as sure as they could be about their decision was worth making that visit (although not all can do it).</p>

<p>I am sure others will have advice around this time of year. I'm long winded, I am sure from here on in, others will have nice short bulleted tips!</p>

<p>I’ve done it only once but lovely post and very good advice! You have to be happy with the kid you have and not project your own desires onto the hapless kid. </p>

<p>For people with budget constraints, you also have to be brutally honest with what you can and cannot afford and transmit that information to the kid.</p>

<p>I wish there was a like button here - well said Silversas. I am starting on my second kid and was recently surprised that she fell in love with her safety. It should be easier this time around.</p>

<p>Great post, silversas.</p>

<p>My addition: You are choosing the best school for your child not for yourself. Even if you love a particular school and would go there in a hearbeat, it may not be the right school for your child.</p>

<p>Great post, silversas. Since money and/or time will probably pose an obstacle to visiting as many colleges as one might like, I especially like the suggestion of visiting colleges near you as approximate proxies for other schools, when starting the search. Even though there are unique features of each college environment, this makes for a great starting point–especially if you dissect the particular aspects that were liked or disliked, to see whether they are likely to be common features of a college in a given category.</p>

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<p>These need to be bolded/highlighted/etc and read by every parent. Too many times parents get over confident in Darling’s ability, since he “is captain of the tennis team, tutors elementary schoolers in math, reads to blind nuns from Belgium with dystrophia who like to knit, has a 2150 SAT, is Secretary in French Club, and a 3.7 GPA. He’s a shoo-in for Yale.” This gives the kid an ego boost where it isn’t necessarily needed and the reality hits home far too hard come decision time. It just could happen that the unassuming, quiet boy that sits next to Darling in class has a perfect GPA, a perfect SAT score, and has co-authored three research papers by high school graduation is choosing among the HYPSM schools.</p>

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<p>Yes, yes and yes (and it made me laugh too)! I would also say, researching and asking questions on CollegeConfidential will help - as long as you don’t get into the mindset that it’s Harvard (or MIT) or bust. Collegeconfidential has a place for many many kinds of students.</p>

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This also means not selling your kid short. He may be ready to do things far outside your comfort zone–i.e., going to college far away, or taking a challenging major.</p>

<p>Well said, silversas. It was difficult at first (but quickly became easy, thank goodness!) for two Type A, semi-psycho physician parents who always want to be the Best at Everything to recognize we have a socially popular, artsy (but not prodigy artsy), dancing (but not Balanchine dancing) bright kid who wanted to go to a college she could get into easily and maybe not work herself into a breakdown. We did let go of some dreams. And we are so very much happier.</p>

<p>The process was interesting for me. My older son is brilliant, but was unable/unwilling to do what it takes to put together a really good application. He still did very well, but the process was pretty fraught because we wanted him to do more. He hated visiting, he hated writing essays, he did want he wanted and nothing more. He actually did fine, he got plenty of rejections, but had two wonderful choices and ended up very happy at the perfect fit college. </p>

<p>Younger son I had a tendency to underestimate. One of the joys of the whole year leading up to college was watching him grow, and realizing that this slackerish son, might not always get the best grades, and he still had some serious deficits, but that he would be okay, because he’s such a people person. </p>

<p>As to the rest - I had one kid who did not want to visit until he got into college - which worked out fine. The other kid cared hugely about what the campus felt like and we did more visits. For the most part he did not look far away - and all his colleges were near relatives we visit regularly so that made it pretty easy.</p>

<p>I think the most important thing is to accept the kid you have and let them take the lead (and if that means they say, you pick, I’ll choose, that’s okay too.)</p>

<p>Yes, Yes, Yes!</p>

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<li>Be brutally honest with yourself about your kid, over and over again.</li>
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<p>And ask other people to be brutally honest about your kid. And take notes about what they say. Parents are blinded by love, and could often benefit by some outside perspective, but rarely ask for it, or heed it if it is given. </p>

<p>Some of the most honest opinions a parent could get can be from their child’s classmates. They are the ones who have watched him talk his way out of a bad grade, who have watched him blow off homework, who have watched him draw magnificent doodles instead of taking notes, who have been asked to lend him their own notes… The kids I know who bombed out on their first attempt at college were clearly headed in that direction long before they left home in August. Their friends knew it, their friends’ parents knew it, their high school teachers knew it, but their parents thought they should “give him a chance to shine”. </p>

<p>Do not bury your head in the sand about your kid. He may be brilliant, but if he has shown a decided lack of interest, effort, caring or focus in high school he is NOT going to suddenly burst forth in full Olympic glory in September of his freshman year. Do not send him to a school where a scholarship based on maintaining a high GPA is key to him attending. Chances are that kind of kid is going to stumble a bit his freshman year. Send him someplace where a stumble or two won’t kill him.</p>

<p>The only piece of advice I take issue with is the last one, “visit, visit, visit” before acceptances That’s what the internet is for. Otherwise, you may find your child making a life changing decision based on the weather, who the tour guide is, what they are wearing, the other people in the group, etc. The time to visit is after acceptances are in, IMHO. Spend your time studying before you apply.</p>

<p>I would add one to Silversas’ already brilliant post:</p>

<p>Be brutally honest about who you are-- as a person and as a parent, and learn to edit yourself accordingly. If you grew up with parents who never encouraged you and allowed you to skate through HS, you’ve already over-compensated for that (most likely) in your child-rearing. Don’t make the college application process about you and how nobody encouraged you to shoot for the stars- your kid has already gotten that message both actively and subliminally. If your parents wouldn’t pay for Tier 1 fabulous school because girls didn’t need to go far away for college so you ended up at directional state U and took the bus, don’t insist that your East coast kid apply to all California schools to right that wrong. Let your kid take the lead on how far and wide to cast the net.</p>

<p>Etc.</p>

<p>I see so many parents using the college app season as a do-over on their own lives and it saddens me. It’s good to encourage your kid. It’s good to tell your kid, “if you want to go far away and we can afford to send you there, we’ll support you 100%” but I’ve seen kids who couldn’t make it through 4 weeks at sleep-away camp being dragged across country to look at colleges the kid couldn’t possibly get admitted to and you just want to tell the parents “back off”. I’ve also seen kids who want to go to culinary school or have some other vocational interest end up as a pre-med and dropping out after a year… all because dad had to join the family business and couldn’t fulfill HIS dream of med school.</p>

<p>Know when you are encouraging your child to spread their wings, and when you are just living vicariously.</p>

<p>Yep, it’s the kid’s choice, ultimately.</p>

<p>If there is a school on the list you will NOT allow your child to attend, get it off the list. All negotiations need to be done up front. So, if kid gets into USNEWS “Dream School,” but prefers, “Big state Football Powerhouse” far from home, kiddo gets to choose BSFPU. Unless this has been negotiated up front.</p>

<p>As an aside, I have one who has begrudgingly agreed to do the app process but still prefers culinary school. In the end, if she chooses culinary, the agreement is that I will support this 100%. So, everyone needs to hope poetgrlD2 chooses college! J/K :p</p>

<p>blossom - That’s what I was trying to say upthread, only I’m not nearly as eloquent. ;)</p>

<p>poetgrl,</p>

<p>Very good advice! Our son chose a school we never thought would be on the table. We can now (mostly) embrace his choice but it took some prayers and discussion after his choice was made before we could be happy for him (particularly my dh whose bottom line is the dollar).</p>

<p>And I guess once they do choose and they take ownership, be supportive of that choice. I don’t want my son being defensive or second guessing himself, so I am trying to fully support him.</p>

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<p>And it doesn’t end with choice of college, LOL! There will choice of major, choice of job, choice of spouse…it goes on.</p>

<p>I feel you poetgrl - I would wish for college too, but support my D’s dream regardless.</p>

<p>Also…don’t dismiss their dreams and try to steer their paths for them…thinking they are too young to know what’s best for them. </p>

<p>S1 (since 7th grade) always dreamed/planned for a career in the military. We thought he’d change his mind. He didn’t. He got a ROTC scholarship and then dreamed of being a member of a scary selective elite unit. We thought it wouldn’t happen. It did. Three years out of college, he now commands a platoon in the scary elite unit. We never dreamed it but he did and we’ve learned to be OK with it.</p>

<p>First, there is no perfect school and the choices where you start the process, thinking will be a top choices, may move out of the picture entirely as you do the visit, visit, visit of all the schools.</p>

<p>I found that coming to the final choice reminded me of this graphic equalizer I had in my car from the 80’s that had 8 slide buttons from high to low to adjust the bass, the treble, the balance etc.</p>

<p>The college process was like sliding these 8 bars up and down until you find the right balance and not all the bars are up. Instead of bass and tremble it is–academics, location, social life, cost, ranking of the major desired, extracurriulars etc.</p>

<p>thanks for the great post silversas and I give you a lot of credit PackMom.</p>