<p>As a residency reviewer, I deep six any application futon a 6 year person without reading it</p>
<p>Don't want them for my program</p>
<p>Why? Would you mind sharing your rationale behind that?</p>
<p>His RATIONALE could not possibly be RATIONAL since one is guilty before trial!</p>
<p>@Princess’Dad, please tell me which hospital or university you’re affiliated with. So I know to steer clear</p>
<p>■■■■■. Major west coast university/medical school.</p>
<p>Rational: If you want a doogie howser - they are great. If you want someone who is in the laboratory or pathology or xray (non-patient) they are great.
But, the vast experience of everyone one I know in academic medicine is that they have no people skills, no knowledge of anything other than science or medicine. If you talk to med sch and residency adcoms, you will find out that the highest percentage of kids (with grades and scores) admitted are those who major in non-science. Medicine has suffered for docs with no people skills. WHY would anybody want to give up a couple of years of college where they can study overseas, take History or English classes. Once you grad from medical school, you will never have that chance again. There is no time.</p>
<p>Thanks princess dad. It may be important that you share these views honestly with the committee that has given you the position to determine the future of some kids. I hope that you will let your peers at large to decide if they share your views.</p>
<p>Good for you princess dad; I think it’s excellent practice to reject applicants on the basis of preconceived notions.</p>
<p>Princess’ Dad has expressed these perplexing views several times in the past…nothing new to see here folks. I’m assuming he interviews at one of Vanderbilt’s surgery programs? </p>
<p>Please note that there are several BS/MD programs that have an emphasis on the liberal arts and produce excellent, well-rounded physicians. A few that come to mind: Brown University’s Program in LIBERAL Medical Education, Boston University’s Seven-Year LIBERAL Arts/Medical Education Program, etc. </p>
<p>@Princess’ Dad: Your stereotype of accelerated medical program students is so ridiculously off that I can see this thread being featured in The Onion.</p>
<p>Princess dad. Surely the school that you represent must have a policy on residency admissions. I am also positive that such a policy would not be based on perplexing and pre judged views as yours. And while you are obviously in a very senior position, I would still like to remind you that your views or a representation of views of your institution may be unethical at some level. You may want to look into that…</p>
<p>You are on a public forum after all…</p>
<p>theking.
It is in California and yes most of my colleagues at both my program and at panels at meetings all feel the same. I am being slightly harsh about the “deep six”, do read them - but they do start off with negative points.
Again, Why would any body want to negate the college experience.</p>
<p>Again BU’s MD/PhD program states “career in both medicine and research …allow them to pursue productive careers in clinical research.” ([Combined</a> MD / PhD Program » Admissions » BUMC](<a href=“Admissions | A holistic approach, from admissions to practice | Chobanian & Avedisian School of Medicine”>Admissions | A holistic approach, from admissions to practice | Chobanian & Avedisian School of Medicine)). I agree these kids are great in a non-patient lab field. In the liberal arts program " Advanced Placement exam results may be used to meet nonscience departmental requirements if approved by the department" – again sacrificing the non science programs. In fact, the program is over 80% science courses - NOT a traditional liberal arts program.</p>
<p>Am I being harsh. YES. But also HONEST. Before you start this program, go talk to your local PMD or a chair of a field you might be interested in clinically. I believe that the vast majority will tell you that you are making a grave mistake.</p>
<p>Again, Why would any body want to negate the college experience. You have a life time to do medicine. If you really want to make it through sooner, look at a 3 year medical school program.</p>
<p>How does one justify people skills from reading an application? If I have to be under people who make preconceived notions, I don’t want you to be my attending. </p>
<p>Are all your residents pretentious like you?</p>
<p>I love
You are correct, reading an application is not as accurate as seeing what ones education was. And yes, all heart surgeons are Gods</p>
<p>And for a 24 yo, you sound more pretentious. Before you start slinging words, do talk to your family doc, then come back</p>
<p>And ask how many Docs have made a “house-call” in the White House</p>
<p>You’re severely misinformed about BU’s 7-Year BA/MD program curriculum. Students take 4 classes each semester:
Year 1: Chem, physics, 2 electives
Year 2: Organic chemistry, bio, 2 electives
Year 3: All electives</p>
<p>AP credit does not at all count toward the 112 credits required for the undergrad years. Furthermore, students are required to pursue a non-science minor. Therefore, it IS in fact a traditional liberal arts program that allows students to obtain a well-rounded experience. </p>
<p>Your bias against students from BS/MD programs only hurts the reputation of your program. Students are able to match into highly respectable residency programs around the country. It is blatant ignorance to falsely stereotype kids who pursue this unique track. Please share the name of the university at which you serve as an interviewer. Lastly, several notable figures in medicine are graduates of such accelerated medical programs. </p>
<p>Again, it is ridiculous to assume that because of one’s undergraduate experience, one will definitely become a poor physician. Publications from the NRMP show that residency interviewers focus on what students accomplish during medical school. This whole idea of accelerated medical graduates being unable to communicate is utterly false: years 3 and 4 of medical school are mainly clinical rotations, where grading is subjectively based off the residents + attending physicians input. If one can’t communicate efficiently, it will show in the clinical grades.</p>
<p>What is a “3 year medical school program?” Do they even exist…? How can medical school be compressed into 3 years?</p>
<p>Don’t worry about my age because it’s wrong. Does your program director know that you stay up late on a college website being a ■■■■■ to kids vying for a future?</p>
<p>Princess Dad, </p>
<p>My D’s 8 year BA/MD accepts AP credits so my daughter only has to take 2 courses her senior year. She is writing a thesis to fill her time since she can not go to med school early.
She had a semester abroad which all in the program can do. She has taken 2 philosophy courses, medical morals course and is getting a minor in psych. She has had a very balanced liberal arts program more than my BS in biology in the 1970’s. </p>
<p>If the 7 or 8 year program accepts AP courses that is of critical importance and the key. Most of these students have many and one student I know had 48 AP’s. It takes the pressure off and allows them time for other areas of study.</p>
<p>I’ll be done a year early for undergrad in my 8 year program. That must mean I have a terrible personality according to our residency interviewer. </p>
<p>Don’t worry Princess. I can only matriculate after 4 years of undergrad, so I’ll fix it up in the next year through my “college experiences”.</p>
<p>Raycmr. Your D is doing the right thing. I love, depends on what you do with that year. If you do like Raycmr’s D, then I congratulate you. And I don’t consider 9 pm late?!</p>
<p>BUs grads are accepted by some of my colleagues in some of the best residency programs in the country.m. But one extends the normal 5 years into 7 as they want two years in the lab as the are training academic (research) docs.</p>
<p>But, again, do not take my word. Talk to your local doctor friend first. Do not do it to “get out early or because you are worried about debt”</p>
<p>Three year medical schools (no summer vacations): Texas Tech, Mercer are some. cf: <a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/articles/2013/03/12/how-to-fast-track-medical-school[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/articles/2013/03/12/how-to-fast-track-medical-school</a></p>
<p>Princess Dad,
Thanks for your kind words. With unsubsidized federal loans running at 7 percent, I don’t fault anyone worried about runaway debt. The compounding starts with the first loan check unlike the subsidized loan commencing upon graduation.</p>
<p>Albert Einstein was only half joking when he said compound interest was the most powerful force in the universe. If one’s parents make over 60k it is not too hard to rack up 80k UG debt and 200k med school debt. </p>
<p>It equates to a house payment for 20 or 30 years. My dentist’s own doctor is 40 years old and lives in an apartment since he can’t swing a mortgage with his med school debt. There’s a big difference in being middle class and being rich so some consideration has to be given to the burden each individual is carrying.</p>
<p>Explain why, princess dad, claiming to be a combined program hater is spending so much time creeping on combined program threads!! Is he “in my days” abrasive kind of person? I must say his own people skills could improve as most people seem to find his posts offensive…or he does not like Sanjay Gupta CNN kind of people skills as Sanjay came from a six year program. Maybe princess is applying…so he wants less competition for princess. In any case, as a junior colleague, my advice to him is to act in an educated balanced capacity in his job and not pre judge based on his notions but consider candidates on their merits. And if he cannot, then get counseling from his ethics people so he can do justice to his very important job…particularly if his notions are so strong that he needs to vent them on a public forum.</p>