<p>Let me simplify it for you. Big dorms are more social than small dorms. Dorms where people have roommates are more social than dorms where everyone has a (small) single. </p>
<p>And everything is relative and subject to the vagaries of chance. Every dorm is social to some extent, and every dorm has people who like to party. If it's not happening within 50 feet of you, then you go where it's happening. Just like now, but easier and closer. No big deal.</p>
<p>I hear that the Shoreland is somewhat "dilapidated"- is this the general look, or does it affect things like outlets, hot water, etc.? I personally love the idea of living in an old building. I think it's so sad that they want to tear it down and replace it with something "modern". </p>
<p>However, if Shoreland is going, are students allowed to paint walls, etc.? I'm a Home Depot kind of gal :)</p>
<p>Any idea of the size of rooms a first year is likely to get? I'm a little concerned about the triples just because I hate the idea of potentially becoming a third wheel. What's the likihood of getting a normal double? </p>
<p>Any more info about it would be most appreciated because I have been seriously considering it for awhile!!!</p>
<p>It's not that they want to tear it down and replace it with something modern. It's that they had a choice between selling it for millions of dollars or spending almost what a new dorm would cost to refurbish it. The Shoreland is great, but it needs millions of dollars of renovations, and if it were renovated it would be worth more than any dorm not in Manhattan, Cambridge, or Palo Alto should be worth.</p>
<p>Plus, putting a new dorm south of the Midway helps accomplish a significant University goal of making that part of campus more lively and populated. The area where the Shoreland is doesn't need any help.</p>
<p>There are a few forced triples there this year, but mostly what first-years have are decent-sized (by college standards) doubles.</p>
<p>It is magnificent, and seedy. I don't know if students are officially allowed to paint walls, but it's perfectly clear that no one stops them. By the end of the year, the question will be whether students are allowed to smash holes.</p>
<p>Katia11, my first-year D is in a "normal double" in the Shoreland. It is a tired building, but they've painted the walls and decorated to the point of having a truly nice space. It's not huge but far bigger than other typical dorm space. Other Shoreland rooms/suites/apartments are really big. They do have hot water. And I should mention that they LOVE the place.</p>
<p>Also, my understanding is that they are not tearing the building down, just doing a major renovation. They will leave the facade and the Crystal Ballroom.</p>
<p>I also am considering shoreland as my first choice.</p>
<p>"It's not huge but far bigger than other typical dorm space."</p>
<p>What's "typical dorm space"? I saw my cousin's dorm at Niagara but that was 6 years ago AND it was so cluttered it was probably bigger AND I'm not sure if I remember it correctly.</p>
<p>Pierce doubles are about 100 sq. ft., Max about 120 sq. ft. (plus modest common space outside the bedroom. The Max size is probably close to typical. Shoreland rooms vary somewhat, but the average is supposedly about 225 sq. ft. (which may or may not include the bathroom) -- i.e., double the Pierce size. The singles I saw in Maclean were only slightly smaller than Pierce doubles.</p>
<p>so is a pierce double extremely confined?</p>
<p>Pierce rooms are so small that they don't have the "x-long" beds that are pretty much standard in the dorm world.</p>
<p>does shoreland fill up quick? if im an EA applicant sending in around now should i be fine?</p>
<p>shoreland rarely even fills up from what i've heard</p>
<p>you're good to go if you pick it first.</p>
<p>Not to worry. As much as EA kids who chose it love the Shoreland, there is room for everyone who choses it at the end. And more room for those who don't know that they are going to love it too.</p>
<p>Ditto everybody else on the Shoreland question.</p>
<p>Question regarding housing but not residence halls: have any current students heard of the Pepperland? Is it often full of tenants? I've heard some anecdotes about it and it sounds like a neat place (and cheap, if I find a few friends willing to live with me) to live after first year -- it's a group of flats that share a wall with Powell's books, and usually houses a good proportion of the Ultimate Frisbee team at any given time.</p>
<p>^^ Yes. Pepperland. Sigh.</p>
<p>I remember getting an offer to sublet there-- I think it was apartmenty priced (meaning between 300-450/month per person).</p>
<p>Whats a good dorm to choose?</p>
<p>I want a single, so i guess BJ, S-H, and Broadview are the best. But of the three, which has the best social scene. I know that these arent relatively close to Shoreland, and I am fine with that, but of the three what is the most lively?</p>
<p>Well, I think they're all different. BJ is quiet. Everyone I know who lives there says it's quiet, but they do have some parties. Some people in Snell are pretty social, but they don't socialize as often with the rest of campus (for example, on Bar Night, which is very popular, they have their own anti-Bar Night). Broadview students tend to be social, especially within the dorm. It's farther from campus, but I know some Broadview students who have friends in the Shoreland and go to a lot of parties there. People are happy in all three dorms, but they're pretty different from one another. You might have good luck with Broadview. I've never lived in any of those dorms, but BJ students always talk about how quiet it is, and it seems like Broadview students are always socializing with each other and going out together. Maybe it's super quiet, too, but that's not the #1 thing I hear about it.</p>
<p>Broadview is very close to Shoreland.</p>
<p>I would actually go with Snell, because it with its sibling, Hitchcock, forms a cohesive unit. I just posted a bit about the different types of partying/socialness, and I think you'll find both in S-H.</p>
<p>I think JHS's D was in Maclean, which sounds like it has a solid social life. And singles galore.</p>
<p>BJ is a mixed bag. It depends if the people who get big rooms like partying.</p>