Doubts about ability to transfer to Top 10 LA College

<p>Long story. I apologize, but could really use some voice of reason. If you want to skip the story, read the last two paragraphs for my point in it all.</p>

<p>I'm starting my first semester at the local college in less than a month and recently a few things have made me seriously (very seriously, in fact) consider withdrawing and holding back another year to be better prepared.</p>

<p>My eventual goal is Harvard Law school, hell or high water. Considering that, I have planned a philosophy major and then an earned transfer to one of five of the top ten Liberal Arts colleges which do not require the SAT, which I never took. The college near me was recently voted by the Aspen Institute (Florida?s</a> Valencia College Named Top US Community College | The Aspen Institute) to be the top two year college in the country. The school also started an enhancement to their honors program in an honors college which has higher requirements for graduation and offers a full tuition scholarship for those accepted. According to the honor's director, I was one of the first to apply, and I was in the first group accepted. I'm ready to start in a few weeks but ran into some doubts..</p>

<p>The thing is I've used the examples of two particular students as a a backdrop for "I can do it too" in motivating me. One starts at Emory this fall, and one is starting their last year at Amherst this fall. Both of those students came from my school, so it's possible, right? Well that's what I thought too. I recently found out the student attending Emory earned the Jack Kent Cooke Undergraduate Transfer scholarship with a hard story a lot of hard work. He had no home for a while while attending school, and his application was heavily need-based. I hold no such story, which is somewhat discouraging for comparing myself to this student.</p>

<p>The other student, who transferred to my top target school (Amherst), I'd met Friday night at an alumni gathering and I picked his brain. Turns out he scored a 2400 on the SAT, and founding the Honor's Advisory Committee as well as the Alumni of Honor's Students organizations all while doing the heavy extracurricular work I'd come to expect from a student accepted to Amherst (of which I had planned to follow through with). Having not taken the SAT and obviously not being in a position to found two very important organizations to the honor's college at the school, I feel maybe I cannot compare to this student's application and maybe Amherst has much much higher expectations for transfers than I had originally thought. If you're not aware, by the way, Amherst is the second top Liberal Arts college in the country, and transfers in 60% or so of their students from two year colleges. They have an entire program for it.</p>

<p>Ok, as for myself: I'm in my later 20's and work full time at a job I had planned to quit starting next year to concentrate on school and extracurriculars full time.</p>

<p>My goals for the two years before transferring were the following;</p>

<ul>
<li>Start a Vegetarian/Vegan Society</li>
<li>(Plan many beneficial events for this club)</li>
<li>Continue volunteering, participating, and eventually organizing for the Vegetarians of Central Florida group (local city-wide group with many large events).</li>
<li>Present at the Florida Collegiate Honors Council Conference in Feb a very compelling project on the environmental and ethics related to obtaining from animal by-products (veganism)</li>
<li>Become a Vice President (now) of the Honor's Advisory Committee, and next year run for President.</li>
<li>Earn an invitation and later run for President of my local PTK (Phi Theta Kappa Two-year college Honor Society) chapter.</li>
<li>Continue writing for my website/blog compelling articles on my lifestyle to keep a heavy educational role in expanding my vegan beliefs for the curious and interested.</li>
<li>Continue volunteering at my local hospital, of which I have 100+ honors, for a goal of maybe 500 hours.</li>
<li>Potentially earn a nomination to the Jack Kent Cooke Undergraduate Transfer Scholarship.</li>
</ul>

<p>I was ready to jump on these above goals while maintaining as close as possible to a 4.0 in as rigorous a course-load (read: difficult in science and math) as I could with the hope that it would be of caliber for transferring to Amherst, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Wellesley, or Claremont McKenna. Now I'm not so sure if my proposed goals will even cut it after finding out more about the students that have transferred from my school to schools of this level. </p>

<p>What do you all think? Am I delusional in thinking that even if I accomplish all of these goals of mine that I will still likely not have a high chance of transferring to Amherst or one of the above schools?</p>

<p>Wow, this needed a lot of proof-reading. I apologize. I was practically having a panic attack while typing and had to get my thoughts down while I still had time before starting my week!</p>

<p>The top 10 liberal arts colleges have very low transfer acceptance rates, as you would expect. I have gathered a quick list of percentages for you.</p>

<p>Williams: 4%
Amherst: 4%
Swarthmore: 8%
Pomona: 8%
Middlebury: 8%
Bowdoin: 2%
Carleton: 9%
Wellesley: 11%
Claremont McKenna: 14%
Haverford: 4%</p>

<p>What are your sources? I’ve seen the actual numbers for Amherst, and I’m perfectly OK with that. Am I wrong for assuming many presumptuous applications get denied?</p>

<p>I don’t know if you’ve done your research but to get into a good law school you don’t need to come from a great school. All that matters to the LSAT admissions people is your LSAT score and your GPA. Say you get a 4.0 and get a 150 on the LSAT. You’d never make it to Harvard. Even at 170, you could get wait-listed. 172 seems to be the good number. 160’s will get you denied (with a 4.0). </p>

<p>Where you did your community college does not matter at all. Your ec’s do not mean much in the face of LSAT and GPA, which I’d say is 85-100% of their decision. They are soft factors that may help you but will not compensate for either LSAT or GPA much. Where you did your undergrad at does not matter as well. </p>

<p>Are you afraid of taking the SAT? Those schools have very low admission rates for transfers and I’d say that at Claremont McKenna is actually accepting more students per year. Most of these students are not coming from a community college I’d say but from similar caliber schools.</p>

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<p>I swiped the numbers from CollegeBoard, who takes them from each college’s Common Data Set, or whatever way these colleges release their admission statistics. The numbers are from 2011, so they should give potential applicants a good idea of transfer selectivity.</p>

<p>This forum has horrible credibility, but you can look at all the transfer threads for the top 10 liberal arts colleges for Fall 2012. For example, quite a few applicants reported having grade point averages above 3.8 [url="<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/amherst-college/1322794-amherst-college-2012-fall-transfer.html"]here[/url"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/amherst-college/1322794-amherst-college-2012-fall-transfer.html"]here[/url</a>], but Amherst College accepted just 10 transfer students for this fall. Some of them also report being accepted as transfer students into top 20 national universities as well.</p>

<p>Those threads are so tedious to sift through for numbers and information to use. I have to take breaks while reading through it.</p>