<p>he got 81, and it is B-, he said he had to retake this coming fall because Kelly told him Kelly will take look at the grades even from CC. and he said he needs ECON to apply for Standard admission on Kelly. I am so confused, somebody at this forum seem told us Kelly won;t take look at the grade from CC, just treat as credit. Also, I do not understand why Kelly told son he needs ECON for standard admission. thanks for any comments.</p>
<p>“This is a new chapter of your life, and we’re only looking at what you’ve done since you’ve been at IU.”</p>
<p>That’s from the Kelley admissions website. <a href=“Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley”>Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley;
<p>thanks hkem123, but son is alrealy at I.U. this coming fall is his second year. </p>
<p>applepear - are you sure the CC will report the grade as a B-? At our local CC they only report whole grades (A, B, C, D, F). There are not + or - grades. </p>
<p>WistfullThinking, thank you for the details. Yes, DS told me the same thing that CC just gives the grade A, B, C, etc. But DS said 81 at I.U. Bloomington is B-, that is why he is worrying a lot now.</p>
<p>The CC will only report the letter grade not the 81%. He should be fine.</p>
<p>applepear, your son took microecon at a cc? Have the registrar of the community college send his transcript to the IUB Office of Admissions. The Office of Admissions will apply the grade to your son’s IUB transcript with a grade of “P” (for pass), along with three credits. I would be shocked if the admissions office at IUB considers an 81% a non-passing grade. Do this ASAP, as the credit for microecon needs to be on your son’s IUB transcript in time to register (probably the first or second week of November) for G202 in Spring 2015. Taking G202 and A100 as qualifying courses for Kelley admissions help him avoid a more difficult class (such as E201 at IUB). Make sure your son takes A100 this fall or in the spring.</p>
<p>Also, letter grades from cc’s and non-IU system campuses do not appear on the official IUB transcripts. Also, it is ridiculous for your son’s Kelley adviser to say that microecon is needed in order to apply to Kelley-- anybody who reads the standard admit rules see that that the adviser is mistaken. The part about Kelley looking at the actual cc letter grade sounds made up, too.</p>
<p>I agree with Wistful Thinking that the cc will only report a letter grade. It makes no sense for cc and universities to report number grades that other schools would have to go to the trouble of translating into letter grades.</p>
<p>Applepear, your son has probably already taken a number of Icore prerequisites, since he is now a sophomore. Your aim now should be to take the classes he still needs to have to apply as a standard admit during this Fall semester ONLY, as he should be eligible to apply to Kelley in the Fall. Did your son complete A100 last spring? You posted then that there was a chance he would drop. If he took A100, you need to get his microecon grade from this summer to IUB ASAP, so that your son can take G202. G202 may be the only Icore prerequisite he needs to even take this fall. He is eligible to take G202 if he already has credit for microecon; and he certainly does if he got a B or B- in microecon this summer at a cc. However, IUB needs proof of the grade immediately so that your son can get into a G202 class. Is he already signed up for G202? You and your son seem not to accept the fact that he has not met the microecon requirement. My son and took both intro econs at Ivy Tech and they met the micro and macro Kelley requirements, and probably hundreds of other students did the same, too, and met the Icore intro econ requirements. I don’t know why it would be different for your son. </p>
<p>Anyway, it he does not take G202 this fall, he will have a whole other semester of classes in the Spring to take before he applies to Kelley, unless, of course, he has already taken at IUB a class that substitutes for the A100/G202 combination. If he applies during this Fall, he can be accepted to Kelley beginning in the Spring 2015 semester. Which Icore classes has he taken.</p>
<p>applepear, I checked my son’s transcript and passing (C or higher) grades get assigned a “T” (for “transfer”, I assume) and the number of credits earned. No “P” or “F” and no letter grade. Also, I don’t know how IU could know your son got an 81 in microecon if only a letter score appears on his cc transcript and the IUB admissions office converts his B or B- into a “T” for his transcript. Also, the professor at his cc would not even have a reason to report an “81” to the registrar. The professor would just report the letter grade to the cc’s registrar. </p>
<p>Also, the rules for direct admission mention scores below B- and pass/fail as negatively affecting admissions decisions. However, that rule should not apply to your son, as your son’s IUB transcript will show a “T” for microecon, not a B- or “P” for pass. </p>
<p>Also, the Kelley admissions website states that “This is a new chapter of your life, and we’re only looking at what you’ve done since you’ve been at IU.” However, the most current Kelley bulletin states:
“The grades for college level coursework completed in high school or prior to matriculation at IU Bloomington will be factored into a student’s application review. However, the most important grades will be those received at IU Bloomington.”</p>
<p>I don’t know how Kelley can reconcile their admissions web page statement with what the Kelley 2013 bulletin says. Another inconsistency that adds confusion to the direct admit admissions rules. </p>
<p>In any case, maybe the statement from the bulletin saying that “However, the most important grades will be those received at IU Bloomington” would mean that your son not retake micro at IUB, as the T grade he gets from cc will be less important. I personally think the T grade should be irrelevant. Nowhere does it say that micro is required for standard admit application. </p>
<p>Does IUB really expect students to take all their courses in Bloomington? That can get pretty expensive for an accounting major trying to graduate with 150 credits. </p>
<p>Thanks a lot, all, especially bthomp1. DS will ask the transcript to send to I.U, his CC advisor told him the same thing, the transcript will just show B. I was so disappointed for these days, and had hard time to communicate with DS because of his 2014 fall schedule. Before summer break He talked with Kelly Advisor, and Kelly advisor asked him to take the following courses during Fall 2014, </p>
<p>A202, L201, Math K310, D270, H101. </p>
<p>No matter how hard I have tried, he just wants to listen to Kelly advisor. I am so desperated now, what can I do now? not giving him money any more?</p>
<p>Applepear - has your son read this thread and other Kelley threads on College Confidential? If not, perhaps that would help him to see the strategic value of following bthomp1’s advice. If he has read these threads and chooses to ignore the advice - well, that’s part of becoming an adult…making decisions and living with the good/bad consequences that follow. </p>
<p>As a parent, I know - easy advice to give / hard to follow. </p>
<h2>Your son just took A100 last Spring semester, right? Has he taken A201? I can’t believe an adviser would recommend taking A202 before A201 for somebody not even in Kelley yet. That is very poor advice for most students. Also, if he has taken A201 at IU already, it seems like he would have the classes needed to apply to Kelley already. (and most students would not be taking K310 unless they already had taken finite and calculus; in which case your son would already have the required admissions classes, if he took them at Kelley.) Also, the point of taking microecon at cc was to be able to take G202 for your son’s last qualifying Kelley admissions class. But Kelley does not even have the transcript showing his credit for microecon? </h2>
<p>Advice from March 16, 2004 <a href=“eligiblility to apply to the Kelley School in the spring 2014 - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/1619069-eligiblility-to-apply-to-the-kelley-school-in-the-spring-2014.html</a>
Also, prior to having the E201 transcript sent to IU office of admissions right after the CC grades are posted, you should contact the IUB registrar after registering for the CC class so that the IUB registrar can register you for G202 as soon as possible. You will have to signup for an E201 equivalent at a CC or wherever as soon as possible to get this done. Ivy Tech is already registering students for Summer 2014 for the E201 equivalent. G202 is a very popular class now, since it is used by many for Kelley admissions. This advice is to get you registered as soon as possible for G202 (when you don’t have E201 on you transcript at the time of registration) based on the comment and thread referenced below: </p>
<p>If you don’t have the prerequisites to register for a course at the time of registration, the registrar can enroll you in the course. I registered for A311 in the spring of 2012 for the Fall of 2012, and was planning to take managerial at CC over the summer. I got enrolled in the course by emailing the registrar, then they required me to email a screenshot by the first week of classes proving I successfully completed managerial. The course didn’t actually get transferred until late September.</p>
<h2><a href=“What makes Econ E 201 so hard? - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/1603784-what-makes-econ-e-201-so-hard.html</a></h2>
<p>So, a lot of time has passed without your son even registering for G202. The waitlist is about 19-20 for each of the three sections of G202 that he can take, but the sections are very large, three of them about 270 students each, and many on the waitlist are the same students, so. maybe he can still squeeze into a G202 section by the end of the first week of classes, when some people drop. If you wait until IUB admissions office processes his transcript from the cc that you haven’t even ordered yet, however, he will have no chance of getting into G202. Maybe you can send the registrar a screenshot of his transcript or grade for microecon from cc as soon as possible and get on the G202 wait lists. Contact the registrar for advice.<br>
<a href=“Contact Us: Office of the Registrar: Indiana University”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/contact/index.shtml</a></p>
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<p>Does your son realize the courses he is taking so far in Fall greatly reduce his chance to get all solid Bs and be accepted to Kelley? He can limit his Fall 2014 schedule to G202, D270, T175, X271 is he needs it and some filler to get to 12 credits. Next Spring – when he is in Kelley-- he could take I core courses that can only be taken at IUB and some others for about 15 credits (he would need only a solid C or above in these classes at IUB, since he would already be in Kelley), like X201 and C204, X272, T275, A201, L201. </p>
<p>Next summer, he could take A202 and E270 (it substitutes for E370 at IUB) at IU Northwest, where they should be not very difficult compared to IUB and should even help his IUB gpa, as the grade from IU Northwest will apply to Kelley gpa. Take finite or calculus (whichever he still needs) at cc the same summer and this will probably be enough to start Icore in Fall 2015. </p>
<p>Don’t take E202 until junior year; it isn’t an Icore prerequisite.</p>
<p>Applepear, I don’t know which classes your son decided to take, but using the A100/G202 combination instead of taking E201 this fall will still work per the regular admissions info page, as the regular admit requirements have not changed for applicants applying this Fall for Spring 2015 admission. Also, there is no requirement listed to take E201 at IUB. Don’t know how any adviser could have given such advice; this was a University Division adviser, and not a Kelley adviser, right? The requirements have not changed since August or September of last year when they were first posted, except that now there is specific information/dates for applying during this Fall semester:</p>
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<p>Note: Applications for admission will start being accepted September 1- November 3, 2014 for spring 2015 admission. If you do not receive the confirmation email within two hours of submitting your application please email <a href=“mailto:bschool@indiana.edu”>bschool@indiana.edu</a>. Most students apply during the spring semester of their freshman year and receive notification about their admission in June. Admission decisions are made only after official grades are posted at the end of the application semester.</p>
<h2><a href=“Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley”>Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley;
<p>If your son could get into G202 this Fall, he could drop E201 and other risky Icore prerequisites he may be signed up for by Friday, September 1. These drops would not show up as “W’s”; they would not appear on his transcript at all, since the drops would take place before the end of the first week of classes. Dropping classes the first week of the semester will not show up on transcripts.</p>