<p>The whole reason that they are rated so high is because they have a lot of noble lauerates.</p>
<p>Intercollegiate Studies Institute's review of Duke University in their book Choosing the Right College 2008-9: <a href="http://www.isi.org/college_guide/sample/2008/duke.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.isi.org/college_guide/sample/2008/duke.pdf</a></p>
<p>It's clearly a #9 school. #8 is absurdly out of whack.</p>
<p>I found the statistic in that college guide interesting where it says that 10% of classes at Duke are taught by graduate students. One area that Holy Cross touts is that no classes are taught by grad students since they are only an undergraduate school and 95% of the professors are PhDs.</p>
<p>duke IS OVERrated. just look at the peer score.</p>
<p>Chicagoboy, I don't think the peer score is intended to be that accurate. I would say that all schools with PA scores between 4.3 and 4.7 are roughly the same.</p>
<p>DUKE IS A GREAT SCHOOL, your probably jsut giving them teh old southern bais</p>
<p>Oh God, the Holy Cross spam squad is alive again.</p>
<p>Columbia was known as King's College when it was founded. Kings outrank Dukes. </p>
<p>Princes outrank dukes as well. That must means Princeton is better than Duke. </p>
<p>But Duke outranks Earlham. </p>
<p>I think it's Queens College that must be really underrated.</p>
<p>Ace-in-the-hole University, here I come.</p>
<p>I think the OP is overestimating the amount of weight graduate programs has in determining the quality of undergraduate education.</p>
<p>Duke>Cornell.. come on!
Seriously, I know a hell lot more people who turned down Cornell for Duke than vice versa!!</p>
<p>Cornell SAT average: 1385
Duke SAT average: 1450</p>
<p>That explains everything.. it would be interesting to see what the average would be only with Cornell's Art and Sciences school and School of Engineering.</p>
<p>Lol @ #29 :p</p>
<p>Duke is top 20, but not top 10. The peer ranking shows this. Graduates from Duke definitely don't have an advantage coming into graduate school over graduates from Cornell, Brown, or even publics like Michigan or Berkeley. I don't know how it ever reached #3/#5. It nicely illustrates that US News is bull.</p>
<p>High SAT averages, this is one of the ways!
It boosts Duke's selectivity ranking.
Also high faculty resources and high alumni ranking
U.S News rankings are calculated by more than just PA.
And seriously, doesn't Berkeley and some of these others only beat Duke by like .1
If I'm not mistaken, Duke is ahead of Dartmouth and Brown in PA. It is probably one of the reasons why Brown hasn't broke top ten in years.</p>
<p>In terms of SATs
Duke>(Berkeley+100)</p>
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<p>Duke>Cornell.. come on!
Seriously, I know a hell lot more people who turned down Cornell for Duke than vice versa!!</p>
<p>Cornell SAT average: 1385
Duke SAT average: 1450</p>
<p>That explains everything.. it would be interesting to see what the average would be only with Cornell's Art and Sciences school and School of Engineering.
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<p>I am not sure why u brought up cornell vs duke on this thread....but you seem to have some misunderstanding about cornell...</p>
<p>actually, more people choose to attend cornell than duke, according to the cross-admit analysis done by new york times.</p>
<p>The</a> New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices</p>
<p>Also, why does Cornell's sat matter? Cornell has 7 different undergrad colleges unlike duke, which has only 2. cornell's CAS and engineering colleges' sats are as high as duke's. But, consider the college of architecture. It is ranked #1 best architecture program in the country, is the most selective college at Cornell(admit rate in low teens), yet it has the lowest SAT average. Same goes for Hotel school. So, u see, judging cornell's pretige or selectiviy based on SATs and saying that duke is better than cornell is a very misinformed observation.</p>
<p>Duke is superior to any school not ranked top 10 US News...</p>
<p>Duke is clearly better than Cornell, Chicago, etc. This shouldn't even be debated. In every measure, Duke students are superior to any non-top 10 student by FAR. SAT scores/GPA/grad placement, etc. Duke is clearly superior than Cornell or Chicago and they shouldn't be compared to Duke. Being nerdier doesn't make you better academically....</p>
<p>Duke is arguably better than Dartmouth, Columbia, Brown, and non-Wharton Penn in many ways, but I'd say they are all equal.</p>
<p>I personally think Duke is superior to most Ivies (aside from HYP/Wharton) because not only do its students place better in biz/med/law school and top companies, but also because it provides a really awesome social experience.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks Duke shouldn't be in the top 8 schools in America must have:
- no idea what they are talking about
- not realize Duke places more kids into top professional schools than all but 5 other schools
- not realize Duke students have higher SAT scores/National Merit Scholars than every Ivy aside from 3 of them
- not realize Duke provides the best social experience out of any top 15 school</p>
<p>If you don't think Duke belongs in the top 10, you are ridiculously misinformed and pay too much attention to thinks like the LaX scandal and not enough to relevant thinks like SAT scores/grad placement/career placement/ international rankings.</p>
<p>I don't think Duke should be in the top ten. Sorry.</p>
<p>If Duke's "really awesome social experience" is anything like the climate portrayed in Wolfe's 'I Am Charlotte Simmons', count me out. </p>
<p>I know enough Duke grads who were not exactly happy with their undergraduate experience at Duke. They found the social scene one-dimensional and lacking.</p>
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Duke is clearly better than Cornell, Chicago, etc. This shouldn't even be debated. In every measure, Duke students are superior to any non-top 10 student by FAR. SAT scores/GPA/grad placement, etc. Duke is clearly superior than Cornell or Chicago and they shouldn't be compared to Duke. Being nerdier doesn't make you better academically....</p>
<p>Duke is arguably better than Dartmouth, Columbia, Brown, and non-Wharton Penn in many ways, but I'd say they are all equal.</p>
<p>I personally think Duke is superior to most Ivies (aside from HYP/Wharton) because not only do its students place better in biz/med/law school and top companies, but also because it provides a really awesome social experience.
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<p>despite your claim that duke is 'superior' to non-hyp ivies and esp. cornell, most cross admits at both ivies(all of the ivies) and duke choose to go to ivies over duke. Duke's cross admit battle is on par w/ schools like UVA, Georgetown, Cornell, etc. imo, these schools are roughly on par and are academic peers. With this said, mid-tier ivies, such as Columbia or Penn are clearly more desirable and 'prestigious' destinations for the students than duke is. As an example, about 74% of admits at both columbia and duke choose to attend columbia. This is no comparison.</p>
<p>I think a lot of people on here are bitter rejectees</p>