<p>is a 1410+URM good+sibling legacy good enough for DUke?</p>
<p>You would be in the ballpark based on the info provided. For non-hooked applicants in RD, they are looking for 1480. At least, that is the number Rachel Toor mentioned in "Admissions Confidential".</p>
<p>lol, wow, no offense, but you are such a nerd, knowing the exact SAT score that some lady put in a book that you read about college admissions. What is the world coming to.</p>
<p>I should have mentioned that Rachel Toor was an adcom at Duke and "Admissions Confidential" is an insiders book. She mentioned the 1480 several times. It is not an encouraging book:</p>
<p>"Most of the students I meet on my travels are BWRKs. That's admissionese for bright well-rounded kids. You know, the ones who do everything right. They take honors classes, study hard enough to be in the top 10% of their class, get solid 1350s on their SATs, play sports, participate in student government, do community service (sometimes even when it's not required). They're earnest, they're hardworking, they're determined. They do everything right, and most of them don't have a change of getting in. We deny them. In droves. Another BWRK. Zip. How boring." (page 2)</p>
<p>"But, as a good recruiter, I do nothing to discourage their applications. 'Your SATs are below our median? That shouldn't stop you. You just don't know what we might find appealing about you when you send in your application.' We want them to send in them to send in their applications...." (page 71)</p>
<p>She says that applicants are assigned scores on a scale of from 1 to 5 on curriculum choice, achievement, recommendations, essays, and personal qualities/extracurriculars, with a sixth rating added by the computer for testing. "In order to be a competitive applicant at Duke, most students will need to have fives in the first two ratings and a five in testing (1480 and above)." (page 92)</p>
<p>To the OP: If you are really interested in Duke, there are not many schools that have books written about the adcom process at the college. There is info about URM's. I personally think you would have a shot at Duke, particularly if you apply ED. It is not a good idea to apply ED, though, if you have a large amount riding on the financial aid offer.</p>
<p>aaaaaaahhhh... darn you, math. It's totally pulling my score down. That's terrifying. I only have a 2160. Or a 1400, without writing.</p>
<p>The SAT 50% range is about 1320-1510. A 1480 would be a solid match. A 1400 is definitely a reach. A 800/600 may better than a 700/700 using the principle that they don't really want well rounded students. Good luck.</p>
<p>even worse. although. i had 740, 660. Which is sort of lopsided, i guess. What's the range for the new sat?</p>
<p>This is the first year for the new SAT and so there is no data for accepted students. You have to go from the old SAT data.</p>
<p>ha. right. see, that's why mine's so low ;)</p>
<p>dayobball6- The info provided would make Duke a good match. Your SAT (only M and V, I hope) is in the ballpark range, and Duke admits around 40% of the legacies who apply. You are expected to apply ED to really get the legacy advantage, though. Obviously, being an URM will help your chances, although it's difficult to guess how much. </p>
<p>In the end, I think it will come down to the rest of your application. If you have a solid GPA (3.7/3.8-4.0) in a demanding curriculum with a strong list of ecs and a good essay, I'd say you have a very good shot.</p>
<p>yeah. i wanted to apply ED, but i decided to do RD cuz i also liked Cornell</p>
<p>Just curious what happened at Cornell.</p>
<p>Rachel Toor <em>is</em> very discouraging. "If you have anything below a 1480, and if you don't have one of the legacy, development, or URM hooks, you're pretty much done. You'll get into college, just not Duke." </p>
<p>Oh God.</p>
<p>She also says in her book that with sibling legacies, if the applicant is roughly as qualified as the sibling then they accept them. She also mentions in her anecdotes how URM minorities are admitted with stats considerably lower than 1480s. I think you'll get in. Plus a 1410 is very impressive.</p>
<p>This 1480 is scary. My D has a 2270 on new SAT (1470 if you just consider V (750) and M(720). But, she got a 35 on the ACT. Will they convert the ACT to the comparable SAT score, which would be higher than a 1470, or will they take the 1470? Will the 800 on the new writing help? She is not a legacy, recruit or URM but I can't imagine Duke will reject her because of the 1470. Aaaargh, this is so stressful!</p>
<p>No school (except state schools) will reject someone purely for the score they got on the SAT. Once you get into the ballpark (1400-1600 on the old SAT, probably 2100-2400 on the new), other factors become important. Sure, a high SAT helps, but that's not all they're looking for. They want a class of people, not high-scoring automatons. Harvard and Stanford reject about 60-70% of the valedictorians in the 1500-1600 range. At Duke, Brown, Penn, etc. they reject around 25-40%. Clearly, many other factors besides test scores are important.</p>
<p>To answer your question, yes they will definitely accept the 35 ACT, which is a great score. If she's from N/S Dakota like your CC name suggests, that gives a her a better chance than many, I should think.</p>
<p>yeah, i think i roughly qualified as my bro</p>
<p>he had 1460 SAT I have 1410 but my GPA is also 4.67 and rank 5/250</p>
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No school (except state schools) will reject someone purely for the score they got on the SAT. Once you get into the ballpark (1400-1600 on the old SAT, probably 2100-2400 on the new), other factors become important. Sure, a high SAT helps, but that's not all they're looking for. They want a class of people, not high-scoring automatons. Harvard and Stanford reject about 60-70% of the valedictorians in the 1500-1600 range. At Duke, Brown, Penn, etc. they reject around 25-40%. Clearly, many other factors besides test scores are important.
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<p>The college admission guides all say that colleges won't split hairs between applicants who both have outstanding SAT scores. They make this clear, but somehow it came to mean on CC that they EC's are the main thing if you have between a 1400 and 1600. 25% of the accepted appicants at Harvard have 1580+. The %-accepted if you have a 1600 is 40-45% while the %-accepted for an average applicant is 10%. What do you think the %-accepted is for somebody with a 1400? </p>
<p>Just as they will take the best V and the best M on the SAT I, they will take either the SAT I or the ACT depending on which is better.</p>